Hi David, So the issue is that while glibc 2.12 (in OEL6.4) supports clock_gettime(CLOCK_REALTIME) it requires a runtime dependency on librt.so, which is an optional runtime dependency, hence the dynamic lookup you mention. The complexity of dynamic lookup makes this enhancement unattractive. But when openjdk updates to require glibc >=2.17 it would be trivial, because clock_gettime() was moved into the core libc.so.
With glibc >= 2.17 there would still need to be a call to clock_gettime() to see if the optional CLOCK_MONOTONIC is supported, whereas CLOCK_REALTIME is required by the Posix spec and header docs. --- This leads me to ask a different question: What is the openjdk process for reviewing and updating its minimum dependencies? - When are dependencies reviewed? - What is the mailgroup to look at? (please let me know if there is a better place to ask this question) The info I found was last updated for JDK 13: https://wiki.openjdk.java.net/display/Build/Supported+Build+Platforms - Glibc 2.12 was released in 2010 and glibc 2.17 in 2012 - The current openjdk LTS release is Java SE 11 in September 2018, supported through to October 2024 (extended support to September 2026): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Java_version_history). - Oracle Enterprise Linux 7.0 released in 2014 included glibc 2.17 These dates suggest an update of openjdk's glibc dependency might be due. But I guess the driving factor is how the timelines of openjdk LTS release support fits with those of Oracle Enterprise Linux versions. --- FYI some observations on my experience of building and testing openjdk. I installed OEL6.4, but found it very tricky to build a `real` openjdk distribution on a current Ubuntu that would run with all features on OEL6.4. - The base openjdk build was easy to use, but it built a JDK with elf dependencies based on my OS, so of course would not run on OLE6. - The openjdk make/devkit infrastructure didn't work for me to make an OEL6 build, after lots of attempts (including running in chroot or docker isolation). I'm sure it works reliably, provided you have the correct OS setup. But its not easy for an outsider to replicate that. - The AdoptOpenJDK Docker build was super easy to use, and I liked that it used Docker to use a reproducible and fully scripted OS build environment. https://github.com/AdoptOpenJDK/openjdk-build - But AdoptOpenJDK Docker build doesn't support building and using an OEL6 devkit. AdoptOpenJDK build targets RHEL 7.4+: https://github.com/AdoptOpenJDK/openjdk-build/wiki/%5BWIP%5D-Minimum-OS-levels openjdk's devkit infra must pre-date the rise of Docker, and fully reproducible build environments becoming the norm. Maybe one day there will be time to use Docker or similar to simplify the openjdk build, and making it easy for anyone to reproduce. As with using newer glibc features (glibc 2.17 vs 2.12), its likely to be drastically simpler when openjdk is able to update dependencies to newer OS versions. Especially if openjdk can be built on its minimum required per-platform OS version in a (Docker) container. Mark On Tue, 14 Apr 2020 at 23:34, David Holmes <david.hol...@oracle.com> wrote: > > Hi Mark, > > On 15/04/2020 3:09 am, Mark Kralj-Taylor wrote: > > David, Daniel, > > What is the oldest (lowest) version of Linux and glibc for openjdk 15? > > I'm not clear on that. > > > The availability of clock_gettime(CLOCK_REALTIME) on the oldest > > Linux/glibc supported by openjdk 15 is likely to be the deciding > > factor on if Hotspot Linux code can call > > clock_gettime(CLOCK_REALTIME). > > > > doc/building.md suggests minimum Linux is Oracle Enterprise Linux 6.4 > > (i.e. RHEL 6.4). > > Which I think uses glibc 2.12-1.107 (based on > > https://yum.oracle.com/repo/OracleLinux/OL6/4/base/x86_64/index_src.html). > > Searching for glibc sources it looks like this supports > > clock_gettime(CLOCK_REALTIME). > > > > The wording of Linux docs suggests that clock_gettime(CLOCK_REALTIME) > > should be supported if the clock_gettime() API exists. But other clock > > sources are not mandatory. So CLOCK_REALTIME should be available even > > if CLOCK_MONOTONIC is not. > > - See: https://linux.die.net/man/2/clock_gettime. > > - Also "POSIX.1-2008 marks gettimeofday() as obsolete, recommending > > the use of clock_gettime(2) instead." from: > > https://linux.die.net/man/2/gettimeofday > > > > Note that Hotspot os_posix.cpp checks for non-error return from > > clock_gettime(CLOCK_MONOTONIC) to guard setting the _clock_gettime > > function pointer. Which was why in the patch I called clock_gettime > > directly for Linux specific os_linux.cpp (a subset of Posix OS-s). > > > > Also os_linux.cpp has: > > #ifndef SUPPORTS_CLOCK_MONOTONIC > > #error "Build platform doesn't support clock_gettime and related > > functionality" > > #endif > > Which made me wonder if openjdk might require CLOCK_MONOTONIC - which > > would mean clock_gettime(CLOCK_REALTIME) is supported. > > So we require that the build platform supports CLOCK_MONOTONIC and > clock_gettime, but not that the runtime platform supports > CLOCK_MONOTONIC (without which we don't/didn't need clock_gettime(). > > So we can switch to using clock_gettime(CLOCK_REALTIME) at build time > with no problem. > > We can probably also require clock_gettime(CLOCK_REALTIME) at runtime, > but we need to double-check that. I recall encountering a platform where > clock_gettime was not available, but I can't recall if it was mainstream > or on one of the other OpenJDK projects - nor do I recall exactly how > long ago this was. Keeping the dynamic lookup of clock_gettime would be > a conservative approach here - but we would need to make the distinction > between the ability to use CLOCK_REALTIME and CLOCK_MONOTONIC. > > Or someone puts in the time and effort to establish exactly what the > kernel and glibc dependencies are and whether we can just rely on > everything existing on all platforms we care about. I don't have time to > do that nor validate the results if someone else does it. > > Cheers, > David > > > Mark > > > > On Tue, 14 Apr 2020 at 18:04, Mark Kralj-Taylor <kralj.m...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > >> > >> Daniel, > >> Yes System.currentTimeMillis() and Clock.systemUTC() must be > >> consistent, so should use the same OS time source (as shown by ). > >> > >> The patch to os_linux.cpp ensures this by calling the same Linux API: > >> clock_gettime(CLOCK_REALTIME) for both, from: > >> - os::javaTimeMillis() that backs System.currentTimeMillis() > >> - os::javaTimeSystemUTC() that backs Clock.systemUTC() > >> > >> Looking at Linux / glibc source I think that gettimeofday() and > >> clock_gettime(CLOCK_REALTIME) are supposed to be the same clocksource. > >> i.e. that given by: cat > >> /sys/devices/system/clocksource/clocksource0/current_clocksource > >> > >> Mark > >> > >> On Tue, 14 Apr 2020 at 13:29, Daniel Fuchs <daniel.fu...@oracle.com> wrote: > >>> > >>> Hi, > >>> > >>> On 11/04/2020 00:53, David Holmes wrote: > >>>> Update: > >>>>> It's a holiday weekend so I can't dig into this right now but we tried > >>>>> using a high-precision clock source for systemUTC() in the past but it > >>>>> didn't work because systemUTC() and currentTimeMillis() have to use > >>>>> the same time base, and currentTimeMillis() has to use gettimeofday(). > >>>>> I thought this cross-dependency was documented somewhere but can't > >>>>> find it right now. If gettimeofday and clock_gettime(CLOCK_REALTIME) > >>>>> actually have the same time characteristics wrt. wall-clock time then > >>>>> changing both as suggested may indeed work. > >>> > >>> Just to emphasize David's comment: System::currentTimeMillis() and > >>> Clock::systemUTC() should use the same time source: if they don't - then > >>> some tests will fail, and because it can be tricky to assert things > >>> in tests, they might (and probably will) fail only intermittently. > >>> > >>> I'm probably the culprit here, I added those tests when I upgraded > >>> Clock::systemUTC() to report sub millisecond granularity [1] - as was > >>> available in the underlying clock that System::currentTimeMillis() > >>> already used. > >>> > >>> However, I think I would be disturbed if System::currentTimeMillis() > >>> and Clock::systemUTC() were using different clocks and could > >>> report a different notion of time (by drifting away from each other). > >>> > >>> best regards, > >>> > >>> -- daniel > >>> [1] https://bugs.openjdk.java.net/browse/JDK-8068730
