> But I also saw Todd working very hard to try *to engage Intel*, over a period of years.
Whoever might be believing in this statement: Good luck to you all. You'll need it, really! :-( Zoran On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 7:56 PM, ron minnich <rminn...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 10:39 AM Nico Huber <nic...@gmx.de> wrote: > >> >> Sorry Ron, I didn't write it to offend you. >> > > No problem. It hurt a bit because I respect you so much :-) > > I find that people's take on Purism varies depending on whether they have > personally interacted with Todd or not. Up here in Mountain View we've had > multiple meetings as we tried to provide guidance to Todd. From that > experience I've come to believe that Purism, like so many of us when we > started out, was extremely naive about what was possible, and made claims > based on their lack of knowledge. But I also saw Todd working very hard to > try to engage Intel, over a period of years. I saw a sincere effort to > achieve their goals, coupled with a complete lack of knowledge about how > much effort it was, which led to them making claims that could not be > supported. > > I hope they are cleaning up their claims. They made a lot of mistakes > over the first few years, and were way too optimistic about how all this > was going to work, which cost them a lot of trust, and that is their fault. > Adding Youness was a good move, and has got them going in the right > direction. > > If anyone at Purism is listening, could you please take the time to talk > to people from this group about your web site and the claims you are > making? From what Nico says, you're still overdoing it. It just makes you > look bad and you don't need that. > > At the same time, we need to be realistic about what's going to be > possible in x86 universe. And the answer, I'm afraid, is "less and less". > I'm afraid blobs are a permanent part of the picture on any new x86 design, > and if you don't like that (I don't) then it's time to find a new > architecture to work on, as Tim and others are doing. > > [Nico, this last part is not about what you said.] I realize feelings are > strong about these issues, but calling people and projects "corrupt" is > unacceptable and, in my view anyway, I'd like people who say such things to > find another project. I watched the Plan 9 mailling list get destroyed by a > few bad actors and I don't want to see that happen here. > > Thanks > > ron > > -- > coreboot mailing list: coreboot@coreboot.org > https://mail.coreboot.org/mailman/listinfo/coreboot >
-- coreboot mailing list: coreboot@coreboot.org https://mail.coreboot.org/mailman/listinfo/coreboot