the most amazing thing about human beings is that we can observe ourselves and contemplate about our own behaviour,this is what separates us from "conventional life" literally speaking.Fuller has stated something because he is not a part of spectrum of "conventional "life forms .he is a human. there is no one other than a human being that can speculate or should i say judge his hypothesis.im calling it a hypothesis because i'm not ready to accept that we are the only "objective observers",there might be,in this universe another self realizing entity, which may have a different inference for the same phenomenon. i'm restraining myself not to bring metaphysical thoughts here,but we discuss life in its most primordial form,amino acids,proteins,or that basic molecular structure that that ,from the point of its minute probability of coincidental inception,starts to replicate itself, .Well that's simple if you ask me if we ignore the predominent "why" here.from this point onwards we observe,speculate,infer,contradict,really thoroughly searching any avenues of this process.In mathematics ,many times we ASSUME ,axoims ,they are called,and on the basis of these axioms we derive proofs that are correct in our boundries of intellect which i see are vast enogh to create nuclear fusion of exraordinary energy output from a mathematical theorem that was written on 3 sheets of paper.Human intellect is infinite in its entirity,that is something everyone will agree upon.who is agreeing with this ?human intelect again!. We are at a stage where we should'nt ponder over the basic quantum, but try to look towards complex structures ,of which we are ourselves made of!
On 2/13/09, rybo6 <ry...@usit.net> wrote: > > > Fuller states approximately, that, a something cannot create > another something, that is more complex than itself. > > If this is true --as like in being an eternal principle/law-- then > a human could create a simple and even complex biological life, but > not a biological more complex than a human. > > He also goes on to state, that, humans will never create life. > > Creating a simple RNA or DNA virus, would be a good first start, > however, at this time, humans ability to redirect a viruses > programming has not been accomplished for any virus, that I'm aware of. > > That humans will ever create a RNA or DNA virus, is very unlikely, > much less a bacteria, algae, fungus, plant or animal any time soon, > much less, anytime soon. Time will tell imho. :-) > > Just saw on news that the have for first time the 106 kinds of cold > virus have been genetrically mapped. They showed these pretty multi- > colored quasi-spherical and icosahedral computer graphics of them. > > The hope is, that, someday these mappings will allow humans to > control the cold virus. > > There is also a hope, that, someday humans will figure a safe way to > store radioactive wastes on Earth. > > Rybo > On Feb 11, 2009, at 7:07 PM, rybo6 wrote: > > > > > http://www.panspermia.org/whatsnew53.htm > > > > 20 October 2008 > > ...."Residue from one of Stanley Miller's experiments in 1953-54 has > > been found to contain all 20 of life's amino acids. After Miller died > > in 2007, two of his former students, James Cleaves and Jeffrey Bada, > > recovered his vials and lab notes and undertook the analysis. > > > > Miller's experiment > > A: Volcanic plume with lightning. B: The experimental setup that > > might simulate this environment. C: Amino acids and concentrations > > detected. > > Miller originally used three different setups for his experiments. > > The famous classic setup used a spark discharge aparatus. Another > > setup (see diagram) added a steam aspirator to increase the gas flow > > rate through the system. None of the three setups produced detectable > > quantities of more than half of life's 20 amino acids. But with > > today's state-of-the-art instruments, analysts at the Goddard > > Astrobiology Analytical lab could detect much lower concentrations > > than Miller could. In residue from the spark discharge setup with a > > steam aspirator, all 20 are detectable today. > > > > Miller's origin-of-life experiments were staged in a highly reducing > > atmosphere, as the early Earth was assumed to possess. That > > assumption is no longer accepted, a reversal that reduces the impact > > of the original experiments. But the spark discharge setup with a > > steam aspirator "possibly simulates the spark discharge synthesis by > > lightning in a steam-rich volcanic eruption." Such an environment > > might produce, locally and briefly, the assumed reducing atmosphere. > > This possibility has led to the new suggestion that life may have > > gotten its starter ingredients in a lightning-riddled volcanic plume. > > > > Even if life's 20 amino acids could be created in volcanic plumes, > > tremendous problems would remain for the hardware aspect of the > > origin-of-life problem. And the seldom-mentioned software aspect of > > the problem is even more difficult. But speculation continues > > unabated. > > > > Adam P. Johnson et al., "The Miller Volcanic Spark Discharge > > Experiment" [abstract], doi:10.1126/science.1161527, p 404 v 322, > > Science, 17 Oct 2008. > > Did Volcanoes Spark Life on Earth?, by Phil Berardelli, ScienceNOW > > Daily News, 16 Oct 2008. > > Volcanoes May Have Provided Sparks and Chemistry for First Life, by > > Bill Steigerwald, NASA Goddard Space Flight Center, 16 Oct 2008. > > Volcanoes May Have Provided Sparks of First Life, Scripps Institution > > of Oceanography, University of California, San Diego, 16 Oct 2008. > > 'Lost' Miller-Urey experiment created more of life's building blocks, > > Indiana University, 16 Oct 2008. > > The RNA World is the main CA webpage about origin-of-life theories, > > with links to more about Miller. > > Thanks Thanks, Stan Franklin and Newswise.com. > > > > > > > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Cosmology, Mathematics and Philosophy" group. To post to this group, send email to cosmology-mathematics-and-philosophy@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cosmology-mathematics-and-philosophy+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cosmology-mathematics-and-philosophy?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
