Adding to Boyd’s comments, my guide to Irish registration districts says Gortin was abolished on 1st April 1889 (when the associated Poor Law Union was also closed). The townlands that had been in Gortin registration area and Poor Law Union were split between Strabane & Omagh.
So an event in Plumbridge in the period 1845 – 1889 will be on irishgenealogy under Gortin, but 1889 onwards it will be registered under Strabane. (GRONI has them all under Strabane). There’s a similar anomaly with Irvinestown (which was originally named Lowtherstown). Early events registered there are on irishgenealogy under Lowtherstown, and later ones under Irvinestown. (Not quite sure of the year it changed). I agree with Boyd about gaps in the records. Some are due to mis-transcriptions but there also appear to be records that are simply missing. GRONI appears to have the most complete set but it is the least flexible for searching purposes. With irishgenealogy I sometimes search under forename only (as I think Boyd did here). You will be fascinated by some of the obvious howlers that come up as surnames, having been incorrectly entered. You would often never have found the record with all the wild cards in the world. The GRONI site doesn’t allow you to search on forename only which is a great pity. Worth adding that when civil registration of RC marriages started on 1.1.1864 not every priest sent marriage details to the civil registrar. They were supposed to but they didn’t, either because they resented state interference in their affairs or perhaps just through carelessness. (Some weren’t great at keeping parish records either). So for the period 1864 – to 1880 at least, there are parishes where lots of RC marriages are missing from the civil registers. Notably in Donegal but also in either St Peter’s or St Patrick’s in Belfast (I forget which). Elwyn On Tue, 27 Oct 2020 at 13:56, Boyd Gray via CoTyroneList < [email protected]> wrote: > Hi Len, > > I made similar points in a reply which I stupidly sent to Jane alone and > not the group. I am copying it below as I think it will help other > people. I am also adding a postscript for information I have since > discovered. > > Lots of certs are missing, especially death certs, usually because no one > bothered to register the event. > > But some were indeed lost, including some from Strabane. I can see > seventeen Conway deaths between 1880 and 1884 registered in the Plumbridge > sub district of Strabane at GRONI: > > Registration number Forename of deceased Surname of deceased Date of death > Age at death Date of birth Sex of deceased Registration district > D/1880/220/1027/4/125 Patrick Conway 25th March 1880 23 Male > Strabane(pre-1973 Q4) Enhanced > Full > Order certificate > D/1881/220/1027/4/219 Bridget Conway 21st January 1881 86 Female > Strabane(pre-1973 Q4) Enhanced > Full > Order certificate > D/1881/220/1027/4/228 John Conway 8th February 1881 3 Male > Strabane(pre-1973 Q4) Enhanced > Full > Order certificate > D/1881/220/1027/4/246 Catherine Conway 7th April 1881 1 Female > Strabane(pre-1973 Q4) Enhanced > Full > Order certificate > D/1881/220/1027/5/23 Margaret Conway 1st July 1881 5 Female > Strabane(pre-1973 Q4) Enhanced > Full > Order certificate > D/1883/220/1027/5/186 Rose Conway 23rd April 1882 85 Female > Strabane(pre-1973 Q4) Enhanced > Full > Order certificate > D/1882/220/1027/5/122 Catherine Conway 11th September 1882 14 Female > Strabane(pre-1973 Q4) Enhanced > Full > Order certificate > D/1883/220/1027/5/135 Bridget Conway 6th November 1882 50 Female > Strabane(pre-1973 Q4) Enhanced > Full > Order certificate > D/1882/220/1027/5/125 Edward Conway 8th November 1882 17 Male > Strabane(pre-1973 Q4) Enhanced > Full > Order certificate > D/1883/220/1027/5/169 Arthur Conway 22nd March 1883 24 Male > Strabane(pre-1973 Q4) Enhanced > Full > Order certificate > D/1883/220/1027/5/175 Bridget Conway 28th March 1883 64 Female > Strabane(pre-1973 Q4) Enhanced > Full > Order certificate > D/1884/220/1027/6/7 Mary Conway 25th February 1884 107 Female > Strabane(pre-1973 Q4) Enhanced > Full > Order certificate > D/1884/220/1027/6/25 James Conway 7th April 1884 82 Male Strabane(pre-1973 > Q4) Enhanced > Full > Order certificate > D/1884/220/1027/6/36 Patrick Conway 28th April 1884 84 Male > Strabane(pre-1973 Q4) Enhanced > Full > Order certificate > D/1884/220/1027/6/45 Rose Conway 12th May 1884 89 Female Strabane(pre-1973 > Q4) Enhanced > Full > Order certificate > D/1884/220/1027/6/60 Catherine Conway 18th August 1884 75 Female > Strabane(pre-1973 Q4) Enhanced > Full > Order certificate > D/1884/220/1027/6/63 Thomas Conway 25th August 1884 75 Male > Strabane(pre-1973 Q4) > > (The two Patrick Conways here look too old or too young but I cannot check > any of these because they cost £2.50 each at GRONI.) > > This is out of a total of 22 for Strabane at GRONI, the other five being > from Newtownstewart sub district, none from Donemana and none from Strabane > itself. These are the Newtownstewart five: > > Registration number Forename of deceased Surname of deceased Date of death > Age at death Date of birth Sex of deceased Registration district > D/1882/219/1027/5/105 Eliza Conway 25th July 1882 24 Female > Strabane(pre-1973 Q4) Enhanced > Full > Order certificate > D/1883/219/1027/5/196 Charles Conway 6th April 1883 9 Male > Strabane(pre-1973 Q4) Enhanced > Full > Order certificate > D/1883/219/1027/5/216 Patrick Conway 3rd June 1883 16 Male > Strabane(pre-1973 Q4) Enhanced > Full > Order certificate > D/1884/219/1027/6/31 Ann Conway 10th January 1884 1 Female > Strabane(pre-1973 Q4) Enhanced > Full > Order certificate > D/1884/219/1027/6/90 Catharine Conway 18th July 1884 2 Female > Strabane(pre-1973 Q4) Enhanced > Full > Order certificate > > Even though Conways may be more prevalent in Plumbridge than elsewhere in > the Strabane district, it is hard to believe there were no Conways in the > town of Strabane itself. > > Here is the problem. Not many people realise this but the registers held > at different online websites are NOT the same documents. This is because > some websites use the local registry office, some use the district office, > some use the Dublin registers and some use the Belfast registers. All were > supposed to be copies of the original local registers but of course, > mistakes were made, books lost etc. It is interesting to note the > IrishGenealogy only has five death records for Conway for ALL of Strabane: > > Death of ANN CONWAY in 1884 > Group Registration ID 6510927 > SR District/Reg Area Strabane > Deceased Age at Death 1 > Death of CATHERINE CONWAY in 1884 > Group Registration ID 5932684 > SR District/Reg Area Strabane > Deceased Age at Death 2 > Death of ELIZA CONWAY in 1882 > Group Registration ID 6998431 > SR District/Reg Area Strabane > Deceased Age at Death 24 > Death of PATRICK CONWAY in 1883 > Group Registration ID 6259279 > SR District/Reg Area Strabane > Deceased Age at Death 16 > Death of CHARLES CONWAY in 1883 > Group Registration ID 6249685 > SR District/Reg Area Strabane > Deceased Age at Death 9 > > A quick check shows that these are the five deaths registered in > Newtownstewart, according to GRONI. That of course means that > IrishGenealogy has NONE of the deaths at Plumbridge sub district which is > the one that interests you!!! > > RootsIreland has precisely NO Conway deaths for the entire Strabane > district between 1880 and 1884!! So, hard luck anyone who is only using > only RootsIreland. > > The moral of this story? You need to use all of the various websites and > even then, the one you are looking for may be lost or, as I suggested > above, was simply never registered. > > Sorry if this is not very helpful. > > And here is the postscript. I have since learned that, and I am > paraphrasing here, there was a separate registration district for Gortin > under Strabane, which might well be under Omagh now. So, you did well to > check Omagh as well, I would never have thought of that. Either way, if > you did not find Patrick, then, as you say, it is just another example of > how people never found the time to walk all the way into town to register a > death. > > Regards, > > B > > https://www.westulstergenealogy.com/ > > https://www.facebook.com/westulstergenealogy/ > > http://familytrees.genopro.com/boydgray26/Boyd/ > > > > > On Tue, 27 Oct 2020 at 11:05, Len Swindley <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > Hello Jane, > > > > > > > > Have you referred to > > https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/civil-search.jsp in > > your search for the death of Patrick Conway? A search of the deaths of > all > > individuals named Patrick within the registration districts of Omagh, > > Strabane and Londonderry for the years 1881 and 1882 failed to find any > > record of him. Civil registration records were not subject to floods, > fire > > and insect infestation as copies of all records were retained in the > local > > registrar’s office and a transcription forwarded to the General Registrar > > in Dublin. It appears from the lack of any record that the death was not > > registered; not such an uncommon outcome as I have found during my years > of > > transcribing records. > > > > > > > > You may wish to refer to the website (certificates are downloadable at no > > cost) for other family members who remained at home.. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for > > Windows 10 > > > > > > > ================================= > Send a Message to the List - [email protected] > List Archive - > https://list.cotyroneireland.com/empathy/list/cotyronelist.list.cotyroneireland.com > Join the list by sending an email to - > [email protected] > To receive the Digest version, send an email to - > [email protected] > Unsubscribe by sending an email to - > [email protected] > ================================= ================================= Send a Message to the List - [email protected] List Archive - https://list.cotyroneireland.com/empathy/list/cotyronelist.list.cotyroneireland.com Join the list by sending an email to - [email protected] To receive the Digest version, send an email to - [email protected] Unsubscribe by sending an email to - [email protected] =================================
