On Thu, 11 Nov 1999 06:29:44 -0500, Glen Ward wrote:

>>I would like to add my two cents worth to this very interesting dialog
on
maintaining our airplanes.
  It find it interesting that there are owners out ther who have the
misguided conception that you can buy a 30-50 year-old airplane, fly it,
maintain it, pour money into it for Navigational stuff, etc, etc, etc, and
EXPECT TO GET YOUR MONEY BACK!  I have never been able to do that with ANY
airplane I ever owned.
  I bought a new 1993 automobile for $21,000.  The depreciation alone on
the
car is about $2,600.00 every year.  This does NOT include maintenance or
operating costs. The car is always garaged, never had any accident history
and does not have any scratches or damage inside or outside. It has a
stree
value of about $5,000.00   I really belive that an automobile is the WORST
investment a person makes in their lifetime.  In fact, I suspect I have
spent more money on cars in my lifetime than I have on the $250,000 home I
live in. 
  On our airport, there are roughly 60 airplanes. Each owner keeps their
airplane up to their OWN standards based on what THEY can afford.  The
people who are lucky enough to have sufficient funds to put in their
airplane have better airplanes than the ones who wander through the
Airplane
boneyards looking for parts. It will ALWAYS be that way. No one can ever
change that.  It happens in cars, boats, airplanes, motorcycles,
motorhomes
and the very homes we live in.  
  Yes, I have the 15-gal tanks in my Alon.  I also have New 3-color IMRON
paint, I also have a NEW engine and enough electronics to fly a 421
legally.
Yes, I also have about $45,000 in it. IT IS NOT FOR SALE!  When it is, it
will probably be sold for about $30,000. That is a $15,000 loss. Which is
very close to the loss I will be taking on my car when it is traded in. 
  Some of us can afford it, some of cannot.  This is the real world.  ALL
OF
US want to fly because we love it.  We should not discriminate against
people who chose Cessna, Piper, Aeronca, Ercoupe, Alon, Luscome or a
homebuilt.  All of us will fly airplanes that WE ALONE are comfortable
with
and can maintain at our own $$$$ level.  Yes, more will crash and more
will
die from neglect.  We can argue this until the sun never shines again, but
it will NOT change.  Each year there will less and less older airplanes
left
flying.
George Frebert
   




> You are right about the safety issue, but I don't believe there is much
of
a
> 21st century for these planes, Gene.  Prices have been going up in the
past
> but it may be that people will be facing facts on the older 415's and
> Forneys real soon.  Already over half a century, and already it is the
kind
> of thing that maybe a lot of first time buyers won't even consider - too
> old, they get a 150.   I like mine I just bought but I do not want to be
> flying it for more than a few years.  Maybe a graceful retirement will
be
> better than having a bunch of wings fall off then the feds get all
excited.
> This issue is a coming thing, sooner or later folks are going to have to
> face it.  The Ercoupe could easily be the first to go, maybe the
Luscombe,
> they are both pretty neglected compared to the Cubs which have so much
> Nostalgia value.   Both have problems.  The coupe is neat but it was
having
> problems even in the 50's.  That was not due to old parts.  Maybe they
> worked it out with the ADs but the same old failures may crop up if they
> keep going and going, weakening from corrosion and fatigue.  Some folks
love
> them so much they won't admit to their defects.  Glen
> 
> 
> 





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