George, I know I can take off with 60 gal and fly ok . I have had that much weight. We would only fill to 90 gal when we had long runway. I'm never going to sell my Alon anyway so I my go expermental. gene
G/F Alon S/N149 wrote: > On Wed, 27 Oct 1999 08:09:41 -0500, V. Childs wrote: > > > Thanks George, I'm trying to get some idea on putting alot of gas on an > ercoupe > > for this world flight we're thinking about. I'm thinking 90 gal. "Want > to go > > for a long ride?" gene > > >>Gene, The idea sounds great and I do not want to put a damper on the > adventur of a lifetime. However, with 540-lbs of fuel, another 60-lbs for > oil, and add the pilot an survival gear, I don't know how you would get it > off the ground. If it did fly, you may have to do what Max Karant did when > he left Africa in the twin Comanche. He could not gain ANY altitude and flew > across the Atlantic in "ground effect". I feel certain you would have to get > to 100-mph before you rotated. That would mean you wold need 7,000 foot > runways at every stop. These airplanes are not known for thie exceptional > rate of climb. With all the mods, the airplanes would have to be relicensed > as "Experimental". > On the other hand----It was done with a Piper Supercruiser! You might > want to trace his flight path and duplicate it. Keep crunching the numbers > and lets see what happens. > George > > > > G/F Alon S/N149 wrote: > > > > > On Wed, 27 Oct 1999 07:13:10 -0500, V. Childs wrote: > > > > > > >>Gene, The Spirit of St. Louis carried 425-gal fuel and 25-gal of oil. > > > Estimated range was 4,210 miles. Empty weight was 2,150-lbs and the > gross > > > weight was 5,135-lbs. Cruise speed was 95-mph, Engine 220-hp at > 1800-rpm. > > > > This information came from Lindbergh's book, "The Spirit". > > > George > > > > > > > Hi George, do you know how much fuel Lindbergh had on his plane for > the > > > flight. > > > > I thought it was 360 gal and his engine would burn about 10 gal hour, > but > > > I may > > > > be wrong. gene > > > > > > > > G/F Alon S/N149 wrote: > > > > > > > > > Only one person got it completely right. Harry Frannics. > > > > > > > > > > Clyde Pangborne and Hugh Herndon met in New York when Clyde was > flying > > > for > > > > > the Gates Flying Circus. Hugh's mother, Mrs. Russell Boardman was > > > quite > > > > > wealthy, having a marriage interest in Veedol Oil Company. Clyde > and > > > Hugh > > > > > teamed up and started barnstorming the entire country in 1929. By > 1931, > > > the > > > > > CAB put the kabosh to the stunt flying because it killed so many > > > people. > > > > > Clyde and Hugh, with the financing from Veedol Oil and his Hugh's > > > socialite > > > > > mother, ordered a special-built, long-range Bellanca "J" model with > a > > > Pratt& > > > > > Whitney 420-hp engine. The airplane was built in the hopes of > breaking > > > the > > > > > Around-The-World speed record. Wiley Post and Harold Gatty held the > > > record > > > > > of 8-days 15-hrs, 51-min in a Lockheed, called the "Winnie Mae". > They > > > > > established this record by flying the most northerly route > possible. > > > > > Pangborne & Herndon's airplane was registered under the name of > A.T.W > > > Corp., > > > > > New York, NY. Although the Bellanca was slower than the Lockheed, > the > > > pair > > > > > felt they could beat the record because the Bellanca had a much > longer > > > fuel > > > > > range and therby make fewer stops. The Bellanca held a total of 915 > > > gallons > > > > > of fuel and 45 gallons of oil when fully loaded. > > > > > The pair left New York on July 28. Halfway across the Atlantic, > they > > > ran > > > > > into a horrible storm. Their only navigational instrument was a > compass > > > that > > > > > spun like a top in the turbulence. They finally arrived in Wales, > 32 > > > hours > > > > > later. By the time they reached their destination in Russia, they > were > > > 27 > > > > > hours behind the Winnie Mae. There was no hope in beating the > Winnie > > > Mae. > > > > > A telegram arrived from friends in Tokyo suggesting they try for > the > > > > > Trans-Pacific nonstop prize if $25,000. They immediately wired the > > > U.S. > > > > > Embassy in Tokyo to obtain permission to fly to Tokyo. > Unfortunately > > > for > > > > > them, they failed to wait for an answer and took off. Japan had > > > invaded > > > > > Manchuria in 1931 and they were at war. Dumb as two geese flying > south > > > for > > > > > the winter, they flew over Japaneese military installations. To > make > > > > > matters worse, they took photos along the way. When they arrived in > > > Tokyo, > > > > > they were immediately put under house arrest. A trial held a few > weeks > > > > > later fined each of them $1500 or 205 days in jail at hard labor. > Once > > > > > again Mrs Boardman came to the rescue and bailed them out. > > > > > Now they applied to the Japaneese Air Defense Ministry for > permission > > > to > > > > > attempt the Pacific non-stop flight. The Japanese were still angry, > but > > > with > > > > > the pressure from the U.S. Embassy allowed one attempt. If they > turned > > > back > > > > > to Japan, their airplane would be impounded and they would be sent > home > > > on > > > > > the next boat. > > > > > The airport at Tokyo was not long enough for the fully-loaded > Bellanca > > > to > > > > > takeoff. The airplane was now flown about 300 miles north to > Sabishiro > > > > > Beach. The hard-packed sand allowed for over a mile of takeoff > > > distance. > > > > > Clyde Pangborn devised a bold scheme of fashioning dowell pins for > the > > > > > landing gear. Once they were off and sure that the airplane was free > of > > > any > > > > > bugs, Clyde would climb out of the plane, pull the pins and drop > the > > > 300-lb > > > > > landing gear into the ocean. This added an additional 17-mph to > their > > > speed > > > > > and extended their flight capability. > > > > > They landed in Wenatchee, Washington, the birthplace of Clyde > Pangborn, > > > 41 > > > > > hours later, traveling 4558 miles. When they arrived, they > jettisoned > > > all > > > > > the remaning fuel and shut down the engine and glided in for a safe > > > landing > > > > > on the belly. Neither one was hurt. The only damage to the airplane > was > > > a > > > > > broken wooden propeller. The Bellanca factory sent out a new > landing > > > gear > > > > > and prop and three weeks later they flew back home. > > > > > One interesting sidebar to this flight is; One wheel from the > landing > > > gear > > > > > was retrieved by a fisherman off the coast of Washington 14 months > > > later. > > > > > George Frebert > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________ > > > > > Get FREE voicemail, fax and email at http://voicemail.excite.com > > > > > Talk online at http://voicechat.excite.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________ > > > Get FREE voicemail, fax and email at http://voicemail.excite.com > > > Talk online at http://voicechat.excite.com > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________ > Get FREE voicemail, fax and email at http://voicemail.excite.com > Talk online at http://voicechat.excite.com
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