Ron, I got my A&P the hard way: 2 years apprenticeship, then went through the whole Part 147 school thing too.  I now teach aviating at Richmor Aviation in Schenectady NY, 61 & 141, Private thru CFII.  Some day I'll open my own shop, but for now, I'm just enjoying flying my butt off, and now fixing up my very own Coupe.
 
I helped a talented friend of mine get his A&P by working with him through a couple of restorations- a Navion and a Stinson 108.  We documented every twist of the safety wire, every brrrrp of the rivet gun. George also had some prior experience, which we also documented, and had some folks vouch in writing for the past experience.  He studied hard, took his written, oral, and practical tests, and now is happily rebuilding Tiger Moths. 
 
Experience requirements for both airframe and powerplant ratings:  30 months total practical experience, of which 18 months aircraft engine and 18 months airframe experience can overlap.  You could also just get one or the other rating with 18 months. The interpretation that our FSDO took was that "experience" does not imply full-time employment (or employment at all for that matter); instead that over a combined (not necessarily continuous) period of at least 30 months, the applicant was "active" as an apprentice mechanic.  We managed to document that amount of work experience, without "too much" inflation of times involved (we were very, slow, very careful mechanics!).   Experience satisfied, the battery of tests for the A&P ratings are fairly arduous, and even if you are a mechanical wizard, you will need to know the applicable FARs, aircraft hardware & materials, basic structural repair techniques from rag & tube through wood, metal, and composites, etc, and etc.  But it's all airplane stuff, and it's mostly useful and interesting. There are week-long finishing schools that can cram you full of short-term knowledge sufficient to pass the tests (or also provide a great review of what you have learned hands-on).
 
I think the largest challenge for the "non-traditional" A&P applicant is getting enough variety of experience.  My school had a Stearman, Beech 18, lots of ingenious systems mock-ups, radial engines (tortured corpses of W-670s we could combine and bring to life), scary old ex-military turbine engines (I cowered behind hangar I-beams when we really wound 'em up), boxes of mysterious relics from all the military planes that once lived at Griffiss AFB...Heaven on earth!  I'ts sorta hard to find all those goodies (and permission to mess around with them) at the average local airport. 
 
Another excellent source of experience would be putting together a homebuilt- That will take more time and money than school, but you can go at your own pace and have an outstanding airplane in the bargain.  You will need to consult an A&P OFTEN and document it as an "apprenticeship" to get the most mileage out of homebuilding toward an A&P.  Build a plane and you're an FAA licensed Repairman;  an A&P is just a Repairman licensed to work on more than one specific airplane.
 
I'm not trying to discourage you with all this talk of requiremenst... On the contrary, general aviation is in dire need of real mechanics (as opposed to the common "parts changers").  But you will have to want it bad enough to take a sabbatical, or build/restore a plane or 2 or 3 under supervision.  And in either case, you will need to study a lot.  Pilots, and even most owners, have NO IDEA how byzantine the FAA is until they walk a mile in an A&P's moccasins. 
 
If you're considering A&P certification to do work for yourself, you would be better off (in my opinion) just getting to know a friendly A&P/IA, earning his trust, and employing his/her inspection authority:  Start by assisting with your next annual.  Then progress to a small project: Agree on what you're gonna do and how, make sure he's present for any complex or hard-to-inspect assemblies, and then let him inspect and certify your finished work.  With a good working relationship, this process can be fun and stress-free for both parties. Don't EVER do anything mechanical without communicating with the A&P first (his butt's on the line every time he signs your logs).   An A&P can legally make your work FAA-kosher on a project-by-project basis- but there's gotta be trust and cooperation. 
 
I hope that you do apply your skills to flying machines, Ron.  Machines are machines, but the satisfaction of making them work is all the sweeter when the machine you made better actually levitates.  Hard to get the same feeling fixin the ol' forklift.  Or maybe even the Mercedes. 
 
-Rob
-----Original Message-----
From: ron miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thursday, January 21, 1999 2:23 AM
Subject: Advice needed

Rob, First I would like to give you a big Atta-boy for getting these guys to work together with their web pages, they have been talking about for a year but no one has taken the reigns to get it going.Second I was wondering where it is you are instructing at? And how did you go about getting your CFI and A&P certificates. I have been a mechanic all my life on everything from commercial restraunt equipment to Forklifts, and From Mercedes to Semi trucks, but no A&P certificate and cant afford to quit my job to either go to work for 5.00 an hour sweeping hanger floors till I can work my way up, or to go to school for 14 months, yet I hate to take my plane to a guy to pay him for something that I may well be capable of doing myself.Any advice????Im all ears. Thanx in advance for hearing me out .
 Ron Miller In Santa Rosa, Ca.

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