I'll reach out to him and see if he is close enough to stop in for coffee. Also, if it would help the cause, Open Coworking can buy a subscription. But a subscription without the leg work isn't worth much. Lauren and Oren, you two seem to have a good momentum on this. Go team!
Jacob --- Office Nomads - Individuality without Isolation http://www.officenomads.com - (206) 323-6500 On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 5:19 PM, oren.salo...@gmail.com < oren.salo...@gmail.com> wrote: > I was doing some digging and found it not so easy to contact the editors > of the AP Style Guide directly without a content subscription, but I did > find this: https://twitter.com/apstylebook > > Does anyone want to join on a tweet campaign to get their attention > #NoHyphenInCoworking anyone? > > Also, found this: https://twitter.com/dhminthorn > > Jacob, he seems to be a Washington state native, maybe you can reach out > and invite him to Office Nomads to check out coworking? > > > > On Tuesday, September 23, 2014 1:15:25 PM UTC-5, Alex Hillman wrote: >> >> Lots of great analogies in there, Oren. http://ihighfive.com/ >> >> >> -Alex >> >> On Tuesday, Sep 23, 2014 at 8:51 AM, Will BennisLocus Workspace < >> wmbe...@locusworkspace.com>, wrote: >> >>> Hi Oren, >>> >>> I really appreciate your thoughtful reply about this. And it's >>> definitely pushed me in the direction of greater support for the "cause." >>> Two particular points that I can agree with: (1) the name is being spelled >>> in two different ways for no very good reason. We might be able to solve >>> that, and get it spelled in the way most people using the word want it to >>> be spelled, so why not do it? (2) The way it's spelled matters to a lot of >>> people in ways that are not specifically about language clarity and are >>> more about identity and community support. And for those people, the >>> preferred spelling tends to be "coworking," so why not respect that? >>> >>> I'm in. I can respect that. >>> >>> Best, >>> Will >>> >>> On Saturday, September 20, 2014 9:41:49 PM UTC+2, oren.s...@gmail.com >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi Will, >>>> >>>> I know what your name is, I was just trying to make a point. :) >>>> >>>> I respect and value your points about no horse in the race and that the >>>> indifference of the "co-working" fans would never lead them to debate this >>>> to such an extent and that clearly this is something the "coworking" fans >>>> are pushing here. I also see your point about the flexibility of language >>>> and I agree no entity can stop language from changing and adapting and >>>> being interpreted differently in different contexts. >>>> >>>> All that being said, I find co-working to be disrespectful. There is a >>>> distinct difference between your example of "personal computing and >>>> computing" and "co-working and coworking". One refers to a rapidly adapting >>>> industry where the nature of what was being described changed over time. >>>> While coworking is rapidly expanding and comes across new variants all the >>>> time, I don't think anyone is claiming a full transformation is happening >>>> like in your computing example. >>>> >>>> Nobody in journalism misspells kibbutz in writing and nobody just >>>> started calling them collective agricultural communities either. Kibbutz >>>> means something because it staked out the term and owned it. I see the >>>> exact same thing happening with coworking except that spelling it >>>> co-working means a distinct unfamiliarity with the subject matter. >>>> >>>> Maybe I'm making some assumptions here, but this was one of the first >>>> things I learned about coworking. I don't know a single major organization, >>>> association, product, content hub, group or otherwise large group of >>>> coworking people identifying under the "co-working" banner. We're all >>>> squarely organized under the "coworking" banner. So what if some space >>>> operators choose to spell it co-working? Obviously that's their choice as >>>> an operator and they're welcome to do so, but to me it's always been a red >>>> flag that they're disconnected from the global community. Maybe I'm wrong >>>> in assuming so, but in my experience it's been validated pretty >>>> consistently. >>>> >>>> Even if there is little ambiguity in co-working vs. coworking (because >>>> there's nothing currently called co-working), it's still very undignified >>>> not be regarded as important enough to have a consistent spelling. That's >>>> the core issue at hand from my perspective and maybe you disagree, but >>>> that's why I think we're talking about entering the dictionary and the >>>> style guides. It's for the same reason that a apple is in appropriate but >>>> an apple is ok. If I said I'm going to eat a apple, you'd understand me but >>>> look at me funny. We're just trying to get the journalists to realize that >>>> from our perspective, co-working = a apple. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Friday, September 19, 2014 5:19:38 AM UTC-5, Will Bennis, Locus >>>> Workspace wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi Oren, >>>>> >>>>> I appreciate your reply about this! >>>>> >>>>> Actually, my name is Will, not William, damnit!!! :)))) >>>>> >>>>> But I don't think this is really the same. >>>>> >>>>> First, "coworking" isn't a company name or a given name / proper noun. >>>>> It's not your name or my name. It's not even "the movement's" name. If >>>>> "personal computing" became just "computing," what would you think if >>>>> Apple >>>>> or Microsoft or a handful of influential early players in the personal >>>>> computing industry campaigned against the change and said that we can't >>>>> change "their" name, and that it was as though their given names were >>>>> being >>>>> mis-spelled? I'd personally think they should leave the English language >>>>> alone and that it wasn't the role of people in an industry to try to >>>>> manage >>>>> what have become common nouns in the English language. I have run a >>>>> coworking space for more than 4 years now. I care what you call my space >>>>> or >>>>> what you call me and I care about coworking, but the idea that spelling >>>>> coworking differently from how people who run coworking spaces think it >>>>> should be spelled, or that misspelling is like misspelling a proper noun >>>>> seems to me like a stretch. >>>>> >>>>> Second, to the extent the name is owned by the community of coworking >>>>> space owners, or at least we have a meaningful stake in it (which I think >>>>> we do), then who are *we*? You write that after 10 years, the coworking >>>>> movement has earned it and that the "rest of us have all settled on >>>>> coworking." But I don't think that's true. I see new coworking spaces all >>>>> the time that put a hyphen in the term. As I wrote in the previous email, >>>>> my (unsubstantiated) hypothesis is that there's really a pretty small >>>>> group >>>>> of coworking space owners who care about coworking being spelled without a >>>>> hyphen. I've never seen poll results and I doubt the question has even >>>>> been >>>>> put to a wide audience of coworking space owners (and presumably members). >>>>> Even within the industry I'd guess the vast majority don't care (if there >>>>> were an option included in the poll), and I wouldn't be at all surprised >>>>> if >>>>> an international poll of coworking space owners and members showed that >>>>> the >>>>> majority even thought the better spelling would be WITH a hyphen. Why >>>>> wouldn't you have heard that? The same reason I almost didn't make the >>>>> last >>>>> post in the first place: "the other side" (the side that would prefer a >>>>> hyphen or just doesn't care), doesn't have a horse in the race, because >>>>> for >>>>> that side language is organic and functional and they don't see themselves >>>>> as owning the name or as there being a meaningful difference in whether >>>>> it's spelled with or without a hyphen. (To be clear, I have no idea about >>>>> "the other side" or what justifications might be; I've never seen any data >>>>> on this; but it also wouldn't surprise me). And the name coworking belongs >>>>> to a much wider audience than just us coworking space owners by now, just >>>>> as "personal computing belongs" to a much wider audience than Microsoft or >>>>> Apple. And the Internet (or now internet) belongs to a much wider audience >>>>> than the people who originally coined the name. That's a sign of the >>>>> maturity of the word, and something to be proud of as a movement. Not >>>>> something to fight against. >>>>> >>>>> Third, even if we were a coherent community who almost universally >>>>> agreed that spelling it without a hyphen was superior, wouldn't it be good >>>>> to examine the counter-arguments? If, after we all gave it some thought, >>>>> we >>>>> agreed that it really didn't matter and that we should let its spelling be >>>>> determined organically, then wouldn't we have saved each other a lot of >>>>> time working to change something that was better left to grow on its own >>>>> according to systems that my be wiser than we are about naming? >>>>> >>>>> My few cents, anyway. >>>>> >>>>> Will >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 9:30 AM, oren.s...@gmail.com < >>>>> oren.s...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I'm with Marius on this one. >>>>>> >>>>>> I think the important thing here is to get us in the dictionary with >>>>>> the spelling we use. >>>>>> >>>>>> To me, the spelling issue has always been indicative of a bigger >>>>>> thing, which is official recognition as part of the English language. >>>>>> >>>>>> After 10 years, I think the movement has earned it. >>>>>> >>>>>> William, how would you feel if everyone started calling you Bill or >>>>>> Will-iam? What if the difference between Will-iam and William was just in >>>>>> written language and not in speech? You even stated that the reason you >>>>>> spell it coworking is out of respect for the rest of us that have all >>>>>> settled on coworking (you even prefer co-working!). That's all we're >>>>>> asking >>>>>> of journalists in this case. And if they're denying our requests on the >>>>>> basis of being or not being in the dictionary, then let's get in the >>>>>> dictionary. >>>>>> >>>>>> Also Derek, the cowering autocorrect annoys me too! It never learns! >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wednesday, September 17, 2014 12:47:01 PM UTC-5, Marius >>>>>> Amado-Alves wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> FWIW, I agree with Will's arguments except the "cow" one. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> To summarize, the spelling is irrelevant, because there is only one >>>>>>> coworking, irrespectively of how it is spelt. As Will points out, >>>>>>> working >>>>>>> with others in a company is never referred to as coworking. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Nevertheless, I think there is interest in diccionarizing the terms. >>>>>>> (And then, while we're at it, with the preferred spelling? 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