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Louis 2010/8/16 Louis Desjardins <louis.desjard...@gmail.com> > 2010/8/16 Camille Bissuel <cbiss...@yagraph.org> > >> to Cyrille Berger : >> >> >> *While lgw does not cover the LGA purpose, it matches the lga website. To >> be >> honest, from what I have understood, lga = lgw + create.* >> ---> In my view, lga > lgw + create, to another public (users) and other >> aims (demonstrate + explain +teach ...). LGW is excellent for news and >> Create is excellent for collaboration between projects, but there are others >> topics to be covered. >> Can I mess up the create wiki and change it's aim without starting a flame >> war ? If I can, I do agree with you that there is no need for another >> website. > > > Hi Camile ! > > Maybe I can suggest you don’t put words like "mess up" in this context ? > This is surely paving the way to some sort of mess... :) which is obviously > what you don’t want to achieve ! > >> >> >> >> *If people thinks create does not works very well, I fail to see how >> having an "association" is >> going to magically solve any problem. Especially, considering that what >> create >> lack is mostly of animation. >> Also, creating an association with no revenue seems to be a lot of >> bureaucratic work. In many countries, the main point of registering an >> association is to get access to a bank account.* >> ---> to have a bank account in the future, you have to start by creating >> an association, not the opposite way. It will allow us to start the project >> and start to share some means. Furthermore, according to a.l.e, creating an >> association in Switzerland is really simple and there is no bureaucratic >> work. > > > Never underestimate the bureaucratic work... :) > >> >> >> >> *Finally, I want to encourage any effort in promoting libre creative >> software, >> but I add my voices in the "there is already too many separated efforts, >> lets >> join force instead of creating new".* >> ---> Totally agree with that. What I'm doing wrong to let you think that >> LGA is not about joining forces ? >> >> For the Libre graphics magazine, I do agree too, but it will have a far >> much lesser diffusion than a website. I don't understand why peoples agree >> on the magazine, and not on the website, despite they share parts on the >> same objectives (promoting and demonstrating libre graphics tools). >> Am I stupid ? >> > > In the eyes of many people on this list we are already into an > "association". We belong to this community, we work together, we communicate > a lot, we have means to do this. This is what most people would call an > association ! > > You have more ideas, which is great ! You think we should embrace more > topics that are not covered yet, okay ! > > But again, this can all be done going in the same flow we have already. No > need to reinvent the wheel. Just push in the same direction. Add some more > bits here and there. If we need a more structured association, we have > already a discussion on the wiki about this and a few incredibly rich > threads on the Creates Mailing List. Already, there is a big work only > gathering together those ideas and make them come alive... > > I think that so far it’s only a matter of communication. I have been > participating in the BoF at LGM with you. I am all for a more structured > association. We have announced together at LGM that we’d be doing it > quickly. The only thing we should do now is do it. > > Some more notes. > > In 2007 I have put together a non-profit to help organise LGM as I rapidly > discovered that in order to get some local sponsorship (especially from the > government). Since then, this non-profit has been left there, unused. I > haven’t looked after this association for years. I didn’t use it in 2009 > because it was too much for me to handle the accounting so I preferred to > leave that to the GNOME Foundation. Today, the assocation named "Quebec > Association for the Development and Promotion of Free Software" is reviving > because we have a big project going on with the Francophonie and we will be > handling funds. I have even opened an account in euros so we don’t need to > convert the funds and we thus avoid a lot of stress with the handling of > international funding, something that is even better than what the GNOME > Foundation can offer us, in some way. It would be as easy — and even easier > — to open an account in US dollars. But all this have a cost in both money > and time. An account at the bank cost a little bit of money. And we have to > provide some papers each year to the government, and we need a proper > accounting... > > So there is an association which I run and which has no website ! > Nonetheless it works and with this new project with OIF it will be running > for months from now. I even have plans to use it next year for LGM — > although I am still not sure of that but I am thinking of that... > > All this to say that if you think we need a better / nicer > > >> I feel that the best way to convince is to start working on it. >> So, let's go. >> >> Have a nice day, >> --yagraph >> >> >> 2010/8/16 a.l.e <ale.comp...@xox.ch> >> >> hi ginger, >>> >>> > > So we could create a magazine (available as PDF, and printed to >>> > > people who want a paper edition, actually someone already started >>> > > such a project, I think >>> > > ?), or a booklet that could be send as "commercial" to companies, a >>> > > book (either tutorial, or a "story" book with illustration created >>> > > with our software). >>> > > All done with free software. Then you can show the results to >>> > > professional, and impress them. When I was a student, I >>> > > participated in editing a student weekly newspaper, we managed to >>> > > print in four colors using a two cylinders rotary printer, the >>> > > seller was so surprised by the result that you could get >>> > > with the machine, that he sent a few samples of our journal to the >>> > > direction >>> > > in Japan. This little story shows that if you do interesting >>> > > things, you will >>> > > get attention. >>> > > There is already an impressive pool of artists using our software, >>> > > lets pull >>> > > them together to create material that display the power of our >>> > > tools. >>> > > >>> > >>> > A great big +1 on the magazine. Just before LGM, Ricardo, Ana, Femke, >>> > a.l.e. and I pulled together Libre Graphics Magazine #0. Since then, >>> > I've been thinking seriously (as I plan workshops and talks for >>> > artists and design students) about the value of doing such a magazine >>> > more frequently. I think it would be a great vehicle around which to >>> > build some user community, as well as a nice, professional public >>> > show of what F/LOSS graphics software can do. >>> > >>> > So I'm game to pick up where we left off on the magazine, and willing >>> > to add some editorial weight to the effort. If anyone else is >>> > interested in working on it too, all the better. >>> >>> i'd like to produce a second number while being at http://froscomp.org . >>> (mid september) >>> >>> the idea is to have the content mostly produced in advanced and having >>> a small crew doing the magazine live at our booth. >>> >>> i'm not sure i will have founds to print it, so it may just be a PDF to >>> put on the web. >>> >>> what do you think about it? >>> >>> could you image to have an active role even if not personally present? >>> (no, i certainly won't have the budget to fly you to zurich! :-) >>> >>> >>> ciao >>> a.l.e >>> _______________________________________________ >>> CREATE mailing list >>> CREATE@lists.freedesktop.org >>> http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/create >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> CREATE mailing list >> CREATE@lists.freedesktop.org >> http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/create >> >> > > > -- > Louis Desjardins > mardigrafe.com > libregraphicsmeeting.org > +1 514 994 9351 (Cell) > +1 514 934 1353 ext. 121 (Montréal) > HAE / EDT GMT -5 > -- Louis Desjardins mardigrafe.com libregraphicsmeeting.org +1 514 994 9351 (Cell) +1 514 934 1353 ext. 121 (Montréal) HAE / EDT GMT -5
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