Dear Martin and Christian-Emil, thanks for the explanations and reminders of past discussions. On this basis I vote: YES.
All the best, Øyvind > Am 12.01.2020 um 20:33 schrieb Christian-Emil Smith Ore > <c.e.s....@iln.uio.no>: > > Dear all, > It may seem very dramatic to move the P114-P120 to CRMarcheo. It is not > These properties correspond more or less to the Allen operators which are not > always ideal. Several years ago the SIG introduced the following alternatives: > > P173 starts before or at the end of (ends with or after the start of): E2 > Temporal Entity > P174 starts before (starts after the start of): E2 Temporal Entity > P175 starts before or with the start of (starts with or after the start of) : > E2 Temporal Entity > P176 starts before the start of (starts after the start of): E2 Temporal > Entity > P182 ends before or at the start of (starts with or after the end of) : E2 > Temporal Entity > P183 ends before the start of (starts after the end of) : E2 Temporal Entity > P184 ends before or with the end of (ends with or after the end of) : E2 > Temporal Entity > P185 ends before the end of (ends after the end of): E2 Temporal Entity > > These eight properties are superproperties of the P114-P120 as shown below. > The original idea (when P173-P185 where introduced, entirely was to > deprecate the P114-P120. However, it is too radical to simply remove them > as the two comments in this email exchange show. Since they are considered > useful in archaeology the idea is to put them there. > > Best, > Christian-Emil > > > > P173 starts before or with the end of (ends after or with the start of) > > P119i - is met in time by > P174 - starts before the end of (ends after the start of) > P118i - - is overlapped in time by > P134 - - continued (was continued by) E7 Activity <-> E7 > Activity > P175 - - starts before or with the start of (starts after or with the > start of) > P176 - - - starts before the start of (starts after the start of) > P115i - - - - is finished by > P117i - - - - includes > P118 - - - - overlaps in time with (is overlapped in time by) > P182 - - - - ends before or at the start of (starts after or with > the end of) > P119 - - - - - meets in time with (is met in time by) > > P183 - - - - - ends before the start of (starts after the end > of) > P120 - - - - - - occurs before (occurs after) > P116 - - - starts (is started by) > P114 - - - is equal in time to > P184 - - ends before or with the end of (ends with or after the end of) > > P114 - - - is equal in time to > P115 - - - finishes (is finished by) > P185 - - - ends before the end of (ends after the end of) > P116 - - - - starts (is started by) > P117 - - - - occurs during (includes) > P182 - - - - ends before or at the start of (starts after or with > the end of) > P118 - - - - overlaps in time with (is overlapped in time by) > > > > From: Crm-sig <crm-sig-boun...@ics.forth.gr> on behalf of Francesco Beretta > <francesco.bere...@cnrs.fr> > Sent: 12 January 2020 11:54 > To: crm-sig@ics.forth.gr > Subject: Re: [Crm-sig] ISSUE P114-P120 VOTE > > Dear Martin and Christian-Emil, > 1. is there any replacement foreseen for these quite useful properties in > CRMbase ? > 2. for the sake of clear documentation and legacy the vote proposal should be > associated with the list and links to the correspondent issues, shouldn't it ? > 3. I'm quite in favour of this vision of a core (CRMbase) and extensions (the > family) but shouldn't we start working on a clear formalization of this > integration (cf. e.g. the TEI) – or is this already done and I just don't > know where to find it ? > 4. One aspect of this task is to have a consistent URI definitions and > dereferencing for CRMbase and family and their different versions. > > I think point 1 and 2 should be clarified to the voters before we vote. Just > avoir B..x.. situations. > > All the best > Francesco > > Le 12.01.20 à 11:13, Martin Doerr a écrit : >> Dear All, >> >> If you agree that >> >> "the following Allen's temporal relations should be deprecated in the >> CRMbase and reappear in CRMarcheo: >> >> P114 is equal in time to >> P115 finishes (is finished by) >> P116 starts (is started by) >> P117 occurs during (includes) >> P118 overlaps in time with (is overlapped in time by) >> P119 meets in time with (is met in time by) >> P120 occurs before (occurs after)" >> PLEASE VOTE "YES" >> otherwise "NO" >> Best, >> Martin >> >> On 1/12/2020 10:29 AM, Christian-Emil Smith Ore wrote: >>> Dear all, >>> In the October 2019 meeting in Iraklio, we did a general cleanup of the >>> CRM-document based on Martin's and my general review. It was a general >>> understanding that the SIG had decided that the following temporal >>> relations should be deprecated in the CRMbase and reappear in CRMarcheo: >>> P114 is equal in time to >>> P115 finishes (is finished by) >>> P116 starts (is started by) >>> P117 occurs during (includes) >>> P118 overlaps in time with (is overlapped in time by) >>> P119 meets in time with (is met in time by) >>> P120 occurs before (occurs after) >>> >>> However, I cannot find any traces of such a decision neither in the >>> amendment part, in the minutes the previous two years nor in the list of >>> issues. >>> >>> I suggest that this decision could be done by email vote. >>> >>> Best, >>> Christian-Emil >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Crm-sig mailing list >>> Crm-sig@ics.forth.gr <mailto:Crm-sig@ics.forth.gr> >>> http://lists.ics.forth.gr/mailman/listinfo/crm-sig >>> <http://lists.ics.forth.gr/mailman/listinfo/crm-sig> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Crm-sig mailing list >> Crm-sig@ics.forth.gr <mailto:Crm-sig@ics.forth.gr> >> http://lists.ics.forth.gr/mailman/listinfo/crm-sig >> <http://lists.ics.forth.gr/mailman/listinfo/crm-sig> > _______________________________________________ > Crm-sig mailing list > Crm-sig@ics.forth.gr > http://lists.ics.forth.gr/mailman/listinfo/crm-sig
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