Dear CRMers, I am working on the Islamic Scientific Manuscript Initiative (ISMI <https://ismi.mpiwg-berlin.mpg.de>) database with Florian Kräutli but I just joined the mailing list. Please find my comments below:
On 27.10.17 17:21, Florian Kräutli wrote: > Begin forwarded message: > >> *From: *Christian-Emil Smith Ore <c.e.s....@iln.uio.no >> <mailto:c.e.s....@iln.uio.no>> >> *Date: *Oct 26, 2017 at 7:29 pm >> *To: *Florian Kräutli <fkraeu...@mpiwg-berlin.mpg.de >> <mailto:fkraeu...@mpiwg-berlin.mpg.de>>, crm-sig@ics.forth.gr >> <crm-sig@ics.forth.gr <mailto:crm-sig@ics.forth.gr>> >> *Subject: Re: [Crm-sig] Modelling bound manuscript copies* >> >> A small question about a codex containing several manuscripts: Is >> there any relationship between the manuscripts (that is, the text they >> carry) or is it simply a handy way to handle several manuscripts? The >> latter is the case for some Nordic Medieval codices where the codix is >> simply a batch of non related texts. There is usually no intended relation between the manuscripts in a codex it is mostly the result of an "historical accident". I think it will be the same as for other medieval codices. I think there may be cases when a complete codex is the result of copying another complete codex but to my knowledge it will be almost impossible to know if that was the case so I would assume that each codex is a unique material package of unique material manuscripts (carrying possibly the same text as other manuscripts). Thanks Robert >> In the recent CRM SIG meeting it was a long dicussion if a manuscript >> could be seen as a result of a (production) plan and thus should be an >> item of an F3 Manifestation Product Type. If so what is the >> Manifestation Singleton realising the original expression of the codex >> manuscript. Would you claim that the codices are a result of an >> idustrial production, mutatis mutandis? >> >> >> Best, >> >> Christian-Emil >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> *From:* Crm-sig <crm-sig-boun...@ics.forth.gr> on behalf of Florian >> Kräutli <fkraeu...@mpiwg-berlin.mpg.de> >> *Sent:* 26 October 2017 15:27 >> *To:* crm-sig@ics.forth.gr >> *Subject:* [Crm-sig] Modelling bound manuscript copies >> >> Dear all, >> >> We're working on a CIDOC-CRM/FRBRoo model to represent a collection of >> Islamic manuscripts >> >> It is organised into Codices. Further we have the concepts of Witness >> and Text. A Witness is a manuscript – a hand produced copy – of a >> Text. A Codex contains several Witnesses bound together. >> >> A Codex can exist several times, similar to a copy of a book, and >> appear in catalogues of other collections. However, the copies of the >> Codices are hand-made, binding together several Witnesses. >> >> Our difficulty when modelling this comes due to the definition of F5 >> Item and F4 Manifestation Singleton in FRBRoo. It would make sense to >> model our copy of a Codex as an F5 Item, being an example of F3 >> Manifestation Product Type. However, the scope note of F5 states that >> it is an object produced through an industrial process, e.g. printing. >> The physical texts that are bound together in a codex are however >> manual transcriptions. The definition of F4 Manifestation Singletons >> for the Witnesses is however also not appropriate, as we know several >> transcriptions of the same text exist. F5 Item would be more >> appropriate for our Witnesses, but does it apply in our case? >> >> Another difficulty is when modelling the Codex as a binding together >> of physical manuscripts and the texts they hold. Our direction is to >> model a Codex as F15 Complex Work, that is realised in a F24 >> Publication Expression carried by an E84 Information Carrier. The >> Texts are then F14 Individual Work (as members of F15) realised in F22 >> Self-Contained Expression (as components of F24). The Witnesses are >> E84 Information Carriers that carry said F22 and P48 compose the E84 >> Information Carrier that carries the F24. We did not use F4 or F5 >> here. Does this make sense? (See sketch: >> https://oc.rz-berlin.mpg.de/owncloud/index.php/s/AXJLkRmv0E00ecM) >> >> Best wishes, >> >> Florian -- Dr. Robert Casties -- Information Technology Group Max Planck Institute for the History of Science Boltzmannstr. 22, D-14195 Berlin Tel: +49/30/22667-342 Fax: -299
