This becomes problematic, unfortunately, in RDF which does not have a way to 
natively express a Number that is actually an interval.  The resolution would 
be to do the same as P81a/b … which would have the same effect as maintaining 
P83 and P84, just not in the model directly.

While I appreciate the theoretical consistency that this change would add, from 
an implementation perspective, this would bring more complexity than value.

Overall, I’m not in favor of the deprecation, but am not averse to adding 
had_duration separately, with the potential to deprecate 83 and 84 if a 
holistic approach to date and number intervals can be devised.

Thanks!

Rob

From: Crm-sig <crm-sig-boun...@ics.forth.gr> on behalf of Martin Doerr 
<mar...@ics.forth.gr>
Date: Friday, February 15, 2019 at 9:18 AM
To: crm-sig <Crm-sig@ics.forth.gr>
Subject: [Crm-sig] Issue 397


Dear All



As discussed in Berlin, I proposed to deprecate P83, P84, because in competes 
with an interval interpretation of P90, and :

Introduce instead Pxxx had duration, Domain:  E52 Time-Span, Range: E54 
Dimension
and use the P90, P90a, P90b as adequate

or introduce  an Exxx Temporal Duration , subclass of E54 Dimension, and define 
subproperties in RDFS ending in xsd:duration.



Here my definition:



Pxxx had duration (was duration of)

Domain:              E52 Time-Span

Range:                E54 Dimension

Quantification:    one to one (1,1:1,1)



Scope note:         This property describes the length of time covered by an 
E52 Time-Span. It allows an E52 Time-Span to be associated with an E54 
Dimension representing duration (i.e. it’s inner boundary) independent from the 
actual beginning and end. Indeterminacy of the duration value can be expressed 
by assigning a numerical interval to the property P90 has value of E54 
Dimension.



Examples:

§  the time span of the Battle of Issos 333 B.C.E. (E52) had duration Battle of 
Issos minimum duration (E54) has unit (P91) day (E58) has value (P90) (E60)



In First Order Logic:

                           Pxxx(x,y) ⊃ E52(x)

                           Pxxx(x,y) ⊃ E54(y)



Comments?

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See:

P83 had at least duration (was minimum duration of)

Domain:              E52 Time-Span

Range:                E54 Dimension

Quantification:    one to one (1,1:1,1)



Scope note:         This property describes the minimum length of time covered 
by an E52 Time-Span.



It allows an E52 Time-Span to be associated with an E54 Dimension representing 
it’s minimum duration (i.e. it’s inner boundary) independent from the actual 
beginning and end.

Examples:

§  the time span of the Battle of Issos 333 B.C.E. (E52) had at least duration 
Battle of Issos minimum duration (E54) has unit (P91) day (E58) has value (P90) 
1 (E60)



In First Order Logic:

                           P83(x,y) ⊃ E52(x)

                           P83(x,y) ⊃ E54(y)

P84 had at most duration (was maximum duration of)

Domain:              E52 Time-Span

Range:                E54 Dimension

Quantification:   one to one (1,1:1,1)

Scope note:         This property describes the maximum length of time covered 
by an E52 Time-Span.

It allows an E52 Time-Span to be associated with an E54 Dimension representing 
it’s maximum duration (i.e. it’s outer boundary) independent from the actual 
beginning and end.

Examples:

§  the time span of the Battle of Issos 333 B.C.E. (E52) had at most duration 
Battle of Issos maximum duration (E54) has unit (P91) day (E58) has value (P90) 
2 (E60)

In First Order Logic:

                           P84(x,y) ⊃ E52(x)

                           P84(x,y) ⊃ E54(y)


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