I'm happy to take a homework to write up DNA measurement with CRM and Instruments in mind :)
[My wife used to work for Illumina <https://www.illumina.com/>, and then for one of their biggest customers, and was part of the team that discovered the markers that led to Grail <https://grail.com/>] Rob On Tue, Sep 7, 2021 at 12:47 PM Martin Doerr via Crm-sig < crm-sig@ics.forth.gr> wrote: > Dear All, > > Just to give you a picture of the diversity and complexity we discuss. > > Probably the high-end in complexity is a DNA - taxonomic distance > measurement, a procedure, even though straightforward and deterministic, > as I understand, with an great number of steps, a series of instruments > subsequently used and possible errors in each one. > > Interesting also a LIPS / Raman analysis of painting colorants, which > uses multiple instruments until the final result, not reliably > quantitative and including assumptions about a limited set of possible > colorants that might be wrong. > > As the most simple ones we may have yard sticks, but the most exotic in > simplicity I can think of are pyrometric cones. They are used worldwide > to monitor ceramic firings in industrial kilns, pottery kilns, for a > one-time measurement of the maximum temperature reached by firing a > kiln. They are calibrated to one temperature only, but normally > destroyed by the measurement. > > What is "one instrument", and are pyrometric cones and yardsticks > instruments? What about body parts (ells, feet) > > Best > > Martin > > On 9/6/2021 1:59 PM, Athanasios Velios via Crm-sig wrote: > > I think this would be a useful discussion and class. It has also been > > proposed within the PARCOURS model although perhaps a tighter proposal > > can be made. > > > > Thanasis > > > > P.S. The example for P103 could do with updating... > > > > On 01/09/2021 20:47, Martin Doerr via Crm-sig wrote: > >> Hi George, > >> > >> I think this is a good idea, of course, we should first look at a > >> more specific property, since "instruments" can be very > >> heterogeneous, or we concentrate on measurement devices in a narrower > >> sense. > >> > >> Best, > >> > >> Martin > >> > >> On 8/25/2021 12:53 PM, George Bruseker via Crm-sig wrote: > >>> Dear all, > >>> > >>> I am working on a conservation science modelling project in which > >>> the users document also their machinery. Something that comes up is > >>> that they want to document the kind of property or variable that is > >>> measured by the machine. This is a property of the machine, what it > >>> can do (dunamis). > >>> > >>> We of course already have p103 was intended for > >>> http://www.cidoc-crm.org/Property/P103-was-intended-for/version-7.1.1 > >>> <http://www.cidoc-crm.org/Property/P103-was-intended-for/version-7.1.1 > > > >>> > >>> I already make use of this for the purpose of documenting the > >>> general kind of method the machine can be used for. > >>> > >>> But when you run the machine, it tests for certain variables and > >>> produces a resulting output which is a digital record of a signal > >>> carrying that variable. > >>> > >>> This reminds me of some elements from CRMSci and from CRMdig > >>> > >>> CRMSci has observations that look for property types: > >>> > >>> S4 Observation > >>> O9 observed property type E55 > >>> > >>> http://www.cidoc-crm.org/crmsci/sites/default/files/CRMsci%20v.1.3.pdf > >>> < > http://www.cidoc-crm.org/crmsci/sites/default/files/CRMsci%20v.1.3.pdf> > >>> > >>> We also have in CRMdig both a class for instruments (digital ones) > >>> > >>> D8 Digital Device > >>> > >>> and we again have a notion of an observation kind of event measuing > >>> a kind of thing > >>> > >>> D11 Digital Measurement Event > >>> L17 measured thing of type E55 > >>> > >>> http://www.cidoc-crm.org/crmdig/sites/default/files/CRMdig_v3.2.1.pdf > >>> <http://www.cidoc-crm.org/crmdig/sites/default/files/CRMdig_v3.2.1.pdf > > > >>> > >>> So, anyhow, putting that all together, I note: > >>> > >>> people document their scientific machines and what they do > >>> some of the properties pertain to the machine (it may measure only > >>> these things) > >>> there are several references to such a property already in crmsci > >>> and dig but placed on the event. > >>> > >>> So I wonder, for discussion, is there an interest in an instrument > >>> class (possibly beginning a bridge between sci and dig) which would > >>> not just be a leaf node but have its own substantial properties. I > >>> suggest a first one might be something like 'measures > >>> property/variable of type'. > >>> > >>> This is not yet a proposal for such a thing, just an invitation to > >>> discussion for those who are interested on the potential utility of > >>> such an addition. > >>> > >>> Best, > >>> > >>> George > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Crm-sig mailing list > >>> Crm-sig@ics.forth.gr > >>> http://lists.ics.forth.gr/mailman/listinfo/crm-sig > >> > >> > >> -- > >> ------------------------------------ > >> Dr. Martin Doerr > >> Honorary Head of the > >> Center for Cultural Informatics > >> Information Systems Laboratory > >> Institute of Computer Science > >> Foundation for Research and Technology - Hellas (FORTH) > >> N.Plastira 100, Vassilika Vouton, > >> GR70013 Heraklion,Crete,Greece > >> Vox:+30(2810)391625 > >> Email:mar...@ics.forth.gr Web-site:http://www.ics.forth.gr/isl > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Crm-sig mailing list > >> Crm-sig@ics.forth.gr > >> http://lists.ics.forth.gr/mailman/listinfo/crm-sig > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > Crm-sig mailing list > > Crm-sig@ics.forth.gr > > http://lists.ics.forth.gr/mailman/listinfo/crm-sig > > > -- > ------------------------------------ > Dr. Martin Doerr > > Honorary Head of the > Center for Cultural Informatics > > Information Systems Laboratory > Institute of Computer Science > Foundation for Research and Technology - Hellas (FORTH) > > N.Plastira 100, Vassilika Vouton, > GR70013 Heraklion,Crete,Greece > > Vox:+30(2810)391625 > Email: mar...@ics.forth.gr > Web-site: http://www.ics.forth.gr/isl > > _______________________________________________ > Crm-sig mailing list > Crm-sig@ics.forth.gr > http://lists.ics.forth.gr/mailman/listinfo/crm-sig > -- Rob Sanderson Director for Cultural Heritage Metadata Yale University
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