I vote YES.

Further reasoning in the ISSUE I raised in my previous message.

All the best,

Martin

On 4/28/2022 7:27 AM, Pat Riva via Crm-sig wrote:
Hello all,

This is the last in the series of LRMoo e-votes relating to topics previously discussed at SIG meetings but not voted on. This discussion was held during the October 2021 SIG without a formal vote, but there seemed to be consensus.


*Proposal:* Deprecate the class F29 Recording Event, its associated properties R20 recorded (was recorded by), and R65 recorded aspects of (has aspects recorded through).


*Reasoning:* The properties R20 and R65 as declared in FRBRoo ver.2.4, have issues with their superproperty statements due to changes brought in with CRMbase 7.1. As defined, only the very general property P15 was influenced by (influenced) could be a candidate superproperty that remains compatible with the ranges. The ranges of these properties are very broad: R20 has range E2 Temporal Entity, and R65 has range E18 Thing. These broad concepts of capturing, particularly R65, are much broader than the scope of LRMoo.


F29 Recording Event is unneeded as a class without its specific properties. It is declared as a subclass of F28 Expression Creation, but actually should be a subclass of F30 Manifestation Creation. The F30 and F28 events can operate via recording, but the broader classes can have all the relationships needed to fully characterize the events.


If you agree, vote *Yes*. If you disagree vote *No*, preferably with an explanation.

To refer the discussion to a future SIG meeting, vote *VETO*.

Please vote by May*4,* at which point I will summarize for the list.



For reference, the currently approved definitions.


      F29 Recording Event

Subclass of: _F28 <#_F31_Expression_Creation>_Expression Creation

Scope note: This class comprises activities that intend to convey (and preserve) the features of perdurants in a recording, such as a live recording of a performance, a documentary, or other capture of a perdurant. Such activities may follow the directions of a recording plan. They may include post-production.

Examples:

 *

    the making of the recording of the third alternate take of the
    musical work titled ‘Blue Hawaii’ as performed by Elvis Presley in
    Hollywood, California, Radio Recorders, on March 22^nd , 1961

 *

    the making of the photograph of the three Allied leaders at Yalta
    in February 1945

 *

    the making of the recording of an East Australian humpback whale
    song in 1994 in the framework of the Oceania Project

 *

    filming Louise Bourgeois at work in the context of the shooting of
    the documentary entitled ‘Louise Bourgeois: The Spider, the
    Mistress, and the Tangerine’

Properties: _R20 <#_R20_recorded_(was_>_recorded (was recorded through): E2 Temporal Entity

_R65 <#_R65_recorded_aspects>_recorded aspects of (had aspects recorded through): _E18 <#_E18_Physical_Thing_2>_Physical Thing



      R20 recorded (was recorded through)

Domain: _F29 <#_F29_Recording_Event>_Recording Event

Range: _E2 <#_E2_Temporal_Entity>_Temporal Entity

Subproperty of: _E7 <#_E7_Activity_>_Activity. _P15 <#_P15_was_influenced_by_(influenced)>_was influenced by (influenced):_E5 <#_E5_Event_>_Event. _P9i_forms part of: _E5 <#_E5_Event_>_Event. _P9 <#_P9_consists_of_(forms_part_of)>_consists of: _E5 <#_E5_Event_>_Event

Quantification: many to many, necessary (1,n:0,n)

Scope note: This property associates an instance of F29 Recording Event with the instance of E2 Temporal Entity which was captured.

Examples: The making of the recording of the third alternate take of the musical work entitled ‘Blue Hawaii’ as performed by Elvis Presley in Hollywood, California, Radio Recorders, on March 22nd, 1961 (F29) /recorded/ Elvis Presley’s performance of the musical work entitled ‘Blue Hawaii’ in Hollywood, California, Radio Recorders, on March 22nd, 1961 (F31).


      R65 recorded aspects of (had aspects recorded through)

Domain: _F29 <#_F29_Recording_Event>_Recording Event

Range: _E18 <#_E18_Physical_Thing_2>_Physical Thing

Shortcut of: _F29 <#_F29_Recording_Event>_Recording Event. _R20 <#_R20_recorded_(was_>_recorded: _E3 <#_E3_Condition_State>_Condition State._P44i <#_P44_has_condition>_is condition of: _E18 <#_E18_Physical_Thing_2>_Physical Thing

Subproperty of shortcut of: _F29 <#_F29_Recording_Event>_Recording Event. _R20 <#_R20_recorded_(was_>_recorded: _E5 <#_E5_Event_>_Event. _P12 <#_P12_occurred_in>_occurred in the presence of: _E18 <#_E18_Physical_Thing_2>_Physical Thing

Quantification: many to many (0,n:0,n)

Scope note: This property associates an instance of F29 Recording Event with an instance of E18 Physical Thing some of whose features, at the time of recording, were recorded in that process.

Examples: The making of the photograph of the three Allied leaders at Yalta in February 1945 (F29) /recorded aspects of/Stalin (E21).

Filming Louise Bourgeois at work in the context of the shooting of the documentary entitled ‘Louise Bourgeois: The Spider, the Mistress, and the Tangerine’ (F29) /recorded aspects of/ Louise Bourgeois (E21).



Pat Riva
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Concordia University / Université Concordia
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Montréal, Québec H3G 1M8
Canada
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