Re: [Crm-sig] Homework, Issue556

Tue, 12 Jul 2022 06:27:44 -0700 

Hi Pat,
Thank you for this analysis! So, we leave these cases without recommendations. 


The "Actor Appellation" would be relevant for representing studies about 
etymology of person names without reference to a particular person, but 
we have not seen requests in CRM-SIG for encoding such studies so far. 
It may appear in genealogies or as auxiliary material for identifying 
historical persons, trying out typical alternative names.


The AAT distinguishes personal names:
*ID: 300266386*
*Page Link:* http://vocab.getty.edu/page/aat/300266386
        
*Record Type:* concept


<http://www.getty.edu/vow/AATHierarchy?find=name&logic=AND&note=&page=1&subjectid=300266386> 
	*personal names* (names, <names and related concepts>, ... Associated 
Concepts (hierarchy name))



*Note: *The name by which an individual person is identified or known, 
as distingushed from names for corporate bodies or other entities.




Does anyone have access to the latest AAT version in a way you can 
browse the hierarchy downwards? Curiously, the on-line page of the Getty 
vocabularies seems to provide no access to narrower terms. Is there an 
AAT concept "corporate names" or so?



In any case, "personal names" may be a concept to recommend, once 
"corporate names" will not have an etymology.


Opinions?

Best,

Martin

On 7/12/2022 6:45 AM, Pat Riva wrote:

Hi Martin, Thanasis,

So far the only IFLA vocabularies that are set up as linked data are here:
ISBD:
https://www.iflastandards.info/isbd

The ISBD vocabularies include several around types of content form or 
type of medium, but these are more restricted than any of these CRM 
classes.


Unimarc:
https://www.iflastandards.info/unimarc

Here there are some very specific vocabularies about certain material 
types.



There is really no vocabulary for the types of appellation relations 
for P139.1, in the IFLA space or others that I can think of. A bit 
surprising really.  I think that is because in library files there may 
be a couple of cases that are specifically coded and all other cases 
are lumped together as general derivation rather than being explained.



Similarly, I was sure we'd have a library vocabulary for P102.1 type 
of title, but actually it isn't a vocabulary but partially expressed 
in the element set.



For the deprecated class P82 Actor Appellation, I agree with Melanie 
that we should not refer to FRAD which is superseded. But as for the 
other deprecated something-appellation classes, what the appellation 
names is expressed by the type of whatever the E41 is used for.


Pat

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*Sent:* July 11, 2022 10:44 AM
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*Subject:* Re: [Crm-sig] Homework, Issue556
Dear Thanassi,

I agree with all, except for:

On 7/11/2022 3:50 PM, Athanasios Velios via Crm-sig wrote:

Following this, I am also making a few recommendations on possible 
vocabularies based on my previous HW:


* E4: type of period → do not make recommendation

We need actually the interpretations of geopolitical units etc. I am 
working on this.


* E10: type of transfer of custody

    * legal responsibility → possible AAT term 
[ownership](http://vocab.getty.edu/page/aat/300055603 
<https://can01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fvocab.getty.edu%2Fpage%2Faat%2F300055603&data=05%7C01%7Cpat.riva%40concordia.ca%7Ccb0021b1185c4129632e08da634cc2b3%7C5569f185d22f4e139850ce5b1abcd2e8%7C0%7C0%7C637931478577607048%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=7xJuqnfi4FhkRyuTi0hvwIS7S4abB4f0IBWiMq9Rk8A%3D&reserved=0>) 

    * physical possession → possible AAT term [possession (property 
right)](http://vocab.getty.edu/page/aat/300411616 
<https://can01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fvocab.getty.edu%2Fpage%2Faat%2F300411616&data=05%7C01%7Cpat.riva%40concordia.ca%7Ccb0021b1185c4129632e08da634cc2b3%7C5569f185d22f4e139850ce5b1abcd2e8%7C0%7C0%7C637931478577607048%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=0AbiUteBUy8DUcGiRXUhlTfTtjitv9flmuqBWBXZmw8%3D&reserved=0>) 


Sounds good, we need also an illegal possession concept..


* E15: type of identifier assignment
    * "preferred identifier assignment" → CRM thesaurus

* E34: type of alphabet

    * List of script names → 
[ISO15924](https://www.unicode.org/iso15924/iso15924-codes.html 
<https://can01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.unicode.org%2Fiso15924%2Fiso15924-codes.html&data=05%7C01%7Cpat.riva%40concordia.ca%7Ccb0021b1185c4129632e08da634cc2b3%7C5569f185d22f4e139850ce5b1abcd2e8%7C0%7C0%7C637931478577607048%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=Dwyu1%2BE16nigYLJImqR%2FIar8smT4GSlUQmozjcneNtM%3D&reserved=0>) 



* E57: type of material → do not make recommendation

* E58: type of unit

    * List of units → 
[ISO80000](https://www.iso.org/standard/30669.html 
<https://can01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.iso.org%2Fstandard%2F30669.html&data=05%7C01%7Cpat.riva%40concordia.ca%7Ccb0021b1185c4129632e08da634cc2b3%7C5569f185d22f4e139850ce5b1abcd2e8%7C0%7C0%7C637931478577607048%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=GP9l7E8TIzca06EcQMTJAcP%2Bg15Hr6%2FsKEvmuur2%2Bbo%3D&reserved=0>) 



* P3.1: type of encoding, type of note → do not make recommendation

* P14.1: type of role → do not make recommendation

* P16.1: type of mode of use → do not make recommendation

* P136.1: type of taxonomic role → do not make recommendation

Actually I think we should recommend for biodiversity the GBIF terms, 
such as "holotype, lectotype" etc. someone to find the standard!


* P19.1: type of use → do not make recommendation

* P62.1: mode of depiction → unclear what this is, no example

"front", "back", "outline".....missing example is an ISSUE!


* P67.1: type of reference → do not make recommendation

* P138.1: mode of representation → do not make recommendation

"front", "back", "outline", or more.... missing example is an ISSUE!


* P69.1: type of association → do not make recommendation

* P102.1: type of title

    * child terms of AAT 
[titles](http://vocab.getty.edu/page/aat/300417193 
<https://can01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fvocab.getty.edu%2Fpage%2Faat%2F300417193&data=05%7C01%7Cpat.riva%40concordia.ca%7Ccb0021b1185c4129632e08da634cc2b3%7C5569f185d22f4e139850ce5b1abcd2e8%7C0%7C0%7C637931478577607048%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=nSN65FTsJF4cqGWthKURP6Wqe8vuT2bBqYsngsB8lJ0%3D&reserved=0>) 



* P107.1: type of member → do not make recommendation

* P130.1: type of similarity → do not make recommendation


* P137.1: type of taxonomic role → do not make recommendation (well 
established in biology but not other disciplines)

Actually I think we should recommend for biodiversity the GBIF terms, 
such as "holotype, lectotype" etc. someone to find the standard!


* P139.1: type of alternative form → do not make recommendation

Question to IFLA members. Is there a good vocabulary?


* P144.1: type of membership → do not make recommendation

* P189.1: type of approximation → unclear what this is, no example

For instance, "centroid", "outer bound", "point within", "covering 
square"...missing example is an ISSUE!



In relation to deprecated classes, the only one I disagree with 
Martin is:



E40 Legal Body. AAT corporations 
(http://vocab.getty.edu/page/aat/300025969 
<https://can01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fvocab.getty.edu%2Fpage%2Faat%2F300025969&data=05%7C01%7Cpat.riva%40concordia.ca%7Ccb0021b1185c4129632e08da634cc2b3%7C5569f185d22f4e139850ce5b1abcd2e8%7C0%7C0%7C637931478577607048%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=nipELvpgiMuejxZvhODB54v5LkTPaDVbks1rTWlyUrI%3D&reserved=0>) 
is too focused on business.

Well, I have thought about this. The note says "commonly formed as 
business enterprises", not "always". I think the practical purpose of 
the construct was indeed "considered in law as legal persons having an 
existence and rights and duties distinct from those of the individuals 
who form them". This should include of course museums etc. that can do 
contracts, buy and sell. Since we have abandoned the concept, I'd 
regard the margin not covered by the AAT term as not important. 
Clearly, whatever we recommend for the deprecated classes, either it 
is our own term or a slight deviation from it. I prefer the latter, if 
we can adopt a well-established vocabulary.


Would you create a Google doc for this😁?

Best,

Martin


All the best,

Thanasis

On 10/07/2022 09:36, Martin Doerr via Crm-sig wrote:

Dear All,


Attached a proposal how to develop a recommended vocabulary 
associated with the CRM, so far in order to refer to the meaning of 
deprecated classes.



My idea is to find good matches from AAT, if possible, or IFLA 
vocabularies.


Best,

Martin

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