Dear Wolfgang,
Nice ISSUE to review!
I think this C should be deleted. When we wrote the third paragraph, we
had abandoned the policy to generally regard properties as shortcuts of
assertions by third parties, and deleted many shortcut expansion
statements. We introduced the concept of a maintainer of the KB as
default whose opinion the KB represents.
I think the last paragraph became obsolete by that time.
At least some subclasses of E13 thought of here are cases in which the
shortcut property is produced, rather than recognized, by an explicit
necessary action - the measurement, but also having an identifier.
The idea is indeed that E13 may also be used for describing properties
not in the CRM.
Best,
Martin
On 10/4/2022 5:19 PM, Wolfgang Schmidle via Crm-sig wrote:
Dear all,
I am struggling with the E13 scope note:
This class comprises the actions of making assertions about one property of an
object or any single relation between two items or concepts. The type of the
property asserted to hold between two items or concepts can be described by the
property P177 assigned property [of] type: E55 Type.
It seems that the word "property" is used here in the sense of "any property one can think of", as
in "The condition assessment of the endband cores of MS Sinai Greek 418 (E14) assigned property of type damage
(E55)", as well as in the sense of "a CRM property", is that right?
And I found the last paragraph particularly difficult to understand:
All cases of properties in this model that are also described indirectly through a
subclass of E13 Attribute Assignment are characterised as "short cuts" of a
path via this subclass. This redundant modelling of two alternative views is preferred
because many implementations may have good reasons to model either the action of
assertion or the short cut, and the relation between both alternatives can be captured by
simple rules.
* What does "this model" refer to? The CRM?
* What does the "two alternative views" refer to? When I model a Property
directly or via E13?
* What are the "simple rules"? Does this mean a transformation like this?
Ex Py Ez
Ex P140i was attributed by E13 Attribute Assignment (P177 assigned property of type
"Py") P141 assigned Ez
* Should "short cut" be "shortcut" (and possibly without " ")?
(Yes, there is a place for small edits, but I am really not sure about this.)
* Do the "any CRM property" paths (via E13) that can reify any CRM property have any
relationship with the paths of "explicit" shortcuts (not via E13) at all? For example:
shortcut: E72 Legal Object P105 right held by E39 Actor
explicit path: E72 Legal Object P104 is subject to E30 Right P75i is possessed
by E39 Actor
via E13: E72 Legal Object P140i was attributed by E13 Attribute Assignment (P177 assigned
property of type "P105 right held by") P141 assigned E39 Actor
shortcut: E1 CRM Entity P1 is identified by E42 Identifier
explicit path: E1 CRM Entity P140i was attributed by E15 Identifier Assignment
P37 assigned E42 Identifier
via E13: E1 CRM Entity P140i was attributed by E13 Attribute Assignment (P177 assigned
property of type "P1 is identified by") P141 assigned E42 Identifier
* Or is this paragraph no longer about E13 but explicitly about the subclasses of E13, as
the first sentence seems to suggest? If yes, is this sentence talking about "any CRM
property" paths or the long forms of explicit shortcuts for the Properties from the
following list?
E14 Condition Assessment: P44 has condition
E15 Identifier Assignment: P48 has preferred identifier, or P1 is identified by
(if the E41 Appellation is also an E42 Identifier)
E16 Measurement: P43 has dimension (if the E70 Thing is also a E18 Physical
Thing and thus can be measured)
E17 Type Assignment: P2 has type
In other words: No "explicit" shortcuts are mentioned for E13. Do the subclasses E14, E15, E16, E17
somehow inherit the ability to create "any CRM property" paths, or are they only used in the long
forms of "explicit" shortcuts of the following properties?
* P38 "deassigned" is only for Identifiers. How would one express the general
situation when an attribute gets deassigned?
(Both P37 "assigned" and P38 "deassigned" are in fact subproperties of P141 "assigned". On the
other hand, according to its scope note P1 is a shortcut for "P140i was attributed by E15 Identifier Assignment P37
assigned" but the counterpart "P140i was attributed by E15 Identifier Assignment P38 deassigned" is not mentioned.)
* Both E15 and E17 can be applied to any E1 CMR Entity. Why is there a subproperty P41
"classified (was classified by)" of P140 "assigned attribute to (was attributed
by)" for E17 Type Assignment, but no subproperty of P140 for E15 Identifier Assignment?
Best,
Wolfgang
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