OK, 😁,
If I understand correctly, the "w" should just be propagated in both
directions. If P125, nothing tells us that the unknown z is the same as
one possibly in a full path of the same activity. Nothing tells us why
there should not be more than one "w" for the same z. Is that what you mean?
I'd support creating such a P125.1.
Best,
Martin
On 11/30/2022 3:57 PM, Christian-Emil Smith Ore via Crm-sig wrote:
B:
Typo: P125 should be P125.1 in the bold phrase.
"The implication from the long path to the shortcut is ok since the
shortcut has no .1-property. The implication from the shortcut to the
long path is problematic since there is a .1-property in the long
path. It is possible to imagine that the shortcut could have a P125.1
mode of use:E55 Type, but *the range instance of P16.1 and P125.1 must
be identical *so the following additional FOL axiom would have to be
added:
P125(x,y,w) ⇔ (∃z) [E70(z) ∧ P16(x,z,w) ∧ P2(z,y)]"
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*Subject:* Re: [Crm-sig] issue 534Shortcuts, .1-properties and the
long paths
Dear Christian-Emil,
I agree with your precise analysis, except for:
A) I'd argue that P138.1 mode of representation is indeed identical
to P62.1. Simply, similar examples have not been provided. I suggest
a FOL for that.
"P138.1 mode of representation seems to be unrelated to P62.1 mode
of depiction.
Conclusion
Neither of the .1-properties in the long path are semantically related
to the .1-property of the shortcut property. Since P62 is declared as
a shortcut of the long path, it cannot have the .1-property."
I agree that P67.1 is unrelated. The kind of reference of a P138
instance would be "represents". This is implicit I think in the
explanation of .1 properties of "has type"-type in the introduction.
Could be a new issue.
B)
"The implication from the long path to the shortcut is ok since the
shortcut has no .1-property. The implication from the shortcut to the
long path is problematic since there is a .1-property in the long
path. It is possible to imagine that the shortcut could have a P125.1
mode of use:E55 Type, but *the range instance of P16.1 and P125 must
be identical *so the following additional FOL axiom would have to be
added:
P125(x,y,w) ⇔ (∃z) [E70(z) ∧ P16(x,z,w) ∧ P2(z,y)]"
I have not understood why "the range instance of P16.1 and P125 must
be identical ".
E.g., used "passiflora racemosa flower", mode of use "as model",
(Martin Johnson Heade, "Hummingbirds and Passionflowers", ca
1870-1883, Museum of Fine Arts Boston,
https://artsandculture.google.com/asset/hummingbird-and-passionflowers/LAEr7eIcfErZwg?hl=en-GB&ms=%7B%22x%22%3A0.5%2C%22y%22%3A0.5%2C%22z%22%3A8.643661874326806%2C%22size%22%3A%7B%22width%22%3A3.2807205935359844%2C%22height%22%3A1.2375%7D%7D)
a typical case for the ten thousands of botanical images from European
botanical researchers in the previous centuries.
Funny example is John James Audubon: He reportedly shot a bird in 1812
in Pennsylvania, named it "Regulus cuvieri", painted it probably with
an error in "Birds of America", so that this species was never seen again.
Best,
Martin
On 11/30/2022 1:35 PM, Christian-Emil Smith Ore via Crm-sig wrote:
Dear all,
My HW can be found here:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1kd-zCO8e00WoKWb-9VAm96ECDEA2O_1iFI6kpgcuCnE
<https://docs.google.com/document/d/1kd-zCO8e00WoKWb-9VAm96ECDEA2O_1iFI6kpgcuCnE>
Best,
Christian-Emil
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