Dear All,
I think we need to reconsider this. The examples somehow make clear that
the triggering event to be finished by the time the triggered event
starts is incidental and not essential the the intended meaning. I now
support an interpretation that the triggering event is essentially of
*different nature *from the triggered one. I think we need a
spatiotemporal *overlap* of the triggering event with the beginning of
the triggered event. Without diving into STVs,
it appears to me that /P176 starts before the start of and//P173i ends
after or with the start of /is the best definition.
In STV thinking, the triggered event should also not contain areas that
occur locally before all neighbouring areas and do not overlap with the
triggering event. I.e., and event could start at two different places
and then merge into one, but only one starting area would be triggered.
That does not make sense.
best,
Martin
On 12/20/2022 6:49 PM, Athanasios Velios via Crm-sig wrote:
Indeed and the original questions raised were about the phrase in the
introduction "The association of the two events is based on their
temporal proximity, i.e. the triggering event ends when the triggered
event starts." I think the examples mentioned in the scope note
indicate a temporal relationship of:
P176 starts before the start of
than the agreed:
P182 ends before or with the start of
Even in the case of, say, a spring-loaded mousetrap, it would be
difficult to tell that the event of stepping on the trip (of the trap)
is completed before the spring is released.
So we either explain the event splitting approach or opt for the safer
option of P176.
All the best,
Thanasis
P.S. I think any change would need to go to 2.1.
On 08/12/2022 11:18, Wolfgang Schmidle via Crm-sig wrote:
Dear All,
O13 "triggers" in CRMsci requires the triggering event to be finished
by the time the triggered event starts. In the example of rainfall
causing a landslide in the scope note, it would mean that continuing
rainfall has to be split up into the part before the landslide and
after the landslide. This is not obvious and needs to be reflected in
the scope note.
One example for O13 is the 1966 flood in Florence triggering mould
growth on books stored in flooded library rooms. I read this to claim
that the mould growth started only after the flood had receded
completely, which I find a strong claim. However, Steve argued that
the cited source does not contain information about the mould
starting to grow while the flood was still ongoing.
Other examples we discussed were:
* an asthmatic in a room full of cats, triggering an asthma attack
while still being in the room
* an earthquake triggering the destruction of houses: It is not
realistic to split up the earthquake event into parts for each
destroyed house.
Best,
Wolfgang
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