Re: [Crm-sig] Conflicting use of P177

Martin Doerr via Crm-sig Sun, 18 Aug 2024 04:38:48 -0700

Dear Thanasi,

I rather suggest to connect P177 with a "Condition Type". See attached🙂.

In this view, "Condition State" is treated similar to the propertyexpansions, as the PC classes in CRM RDFS.

"has damage", "has quality" were adhoc types. We can regard them asnarrower terms of "Condition Type". AAT terms to be checked!!


Opinions?

Best,

Martin

On 8/18/2024 11:59 AM, Athanasios Velios via Crm-sig wrote:

Dear Martin,
With (the usual) apologies for the delay. I am attaching the drawingwith the two examples and the super-properties. I have also markedwith red arrows how P177 is meant to relate to the range of P34 andP35 based on the scope note of P177.
"The direction of the assigned property of type is understood to befrom the attributed item (the range of property P140 assignedattribute to(was attributed by)) to the attribute item (the range ofthe property P141 assigned (was assigned by))"
If I understand your comment about ambiguity of P177, one could deductthe following statements for the two examples:
enband core (E22) → has damage → condition state of endband cores (E3)
cover (E22) → has quality → condition state of cover (E3)

or even:

enband core (E22) → has damage → [...] broken (E55)
cover (E22) → has quality → [...] fine (E55)
In that sense: a) there is an equivalence between the two structuresand b) the range of P177 always defines a property holding between therange of P34 and P35.
I suppose what might also be worth discussing is the time validity ofthe condition state in relation to the time of the condition assessment.
Regarding the examples for E3 Condition State, how about the following:
the state of the cover of MS Sinai Greek 418 in November 2003[described as: of type "fine" after assessing it for the property"quality"] (Honey and Pickwoad, 2010)
the state of the endband cores of MS Sinai Greek 418 in November 2003[described as: of type "broken" after assessing it for the property"damage"] (Honey and Pickwoad, 2010)
All the best,

Thanasis


On 25/07/2024 15:41, Martin Doerr via Crm-sig wrote:
Dear Thanasi,
Nothing wrong with your work! The point is, that the use of P177 isambiguous for E14 , which points to a condition state. The SIG needsto define for E14 how P177 relates to the type of Condition Stateand/or if we regard P177 as the type of a shortcut of ConditionState, as a kind of "Property Class". I remember that we intended todiscuss this, but did not assign HW.
Could you make a graphic representation of the examples below,together with the relevant super classes and super properties?
Cheers,

Martin


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