Can you clarify what you mean? So far there are still 10 projects in Juno 
that have not enabled their contribution for Kepler and hence not on 
"staging". [1]  Perhaps you meant to look on .../releases/maintenance? 

If you do mean something more about Juno SR1, I got the impression from 
this chain of notes there was a "naming" issue in a few places. So, that's 
why I ask to clarify what you mean. I'd say "no, there is no violation of 
EPL or community principles" If that's what you are asking. If you just 
want to know more about their plans, I think a note to pdt-dev list would 
suffice, instead of a blanket note with this subject line. 

I do know a PDT committer recently requested access to update b3aggrcon 
files (bug 389017), admittedly just a few days ago, so assume they plan on 
contributing to SR1. But again, should ask on pdt-dev if you have 
questions about their exact plans. 

I may be missing your point, but a blanket note with the subject line this 
note has seems overly dramatic and carries a negative connotation that I 
don't see (sorry if I'm being dense, but you'll have to spell it out to me 
if I'm missing the point and you have real concerns that they are not 
following Eclipse Development Process?). [And, "we'd like them to do more, 
faster", doesn't count ... since we'd like that from everyone :) ] 

Let me know how I can help. 


[1] The 10 projects not enabled for Kepler ... M2 coming right up! 

amp.b3aggrcon - org.eclipse.simrel.build
cdt.b3aggrcon - org.eclipse.simrel.build
emf-query2.b3aggrcon - org.eclipse.simrel.build
gyrex.b3aggrcon - org.eclipse.simrel.build
jwt.b3aggrcon - org.eclipse.simrel.build
mft.b3aggrcon - org.eclipse.simrel.build
mylyn-docs-intent.b3aggrcon - org.eclipse.simrel.build
pdt.b3aggrcon - org.eclipse.simrel.build
soa-bpel.b3aggrcon - org.eclipse.simrel.build
soa-sca.b3aggrcon - org.eclipse.simrel.build





From:   "Oberhuber, Martin" <[email protected]>
To:     "[email protected]" <[email protected]>, 
"Cross  project issues" <[email protected]>, 
Cc:     "'Tools PMC mailing list'" <[email protected]>, 
"[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Date:   09/14/2012 12:21 PM
Subject:        Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Does this behavior violate 
EPL     or      community prinicples
Sent by:        [email protected]



Is PDT missing the boat on Juno SR1 ?
 
I don’t see PDT on http://download.eclipse.org/releases/staging .
 
See also https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=383977 which is 
still in NEW state (reported 30-Jun).
 
Thanks,
Martin
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direct +43.662.457915.85  fax +43.662.457915.6
 
From: [email protected] [
mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Mike 
Milinkovich
Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2012 3:24 PM
To: 'Cross project issues'
Cc: 'Tools PMC mailing list'; [email protected]
Subject: Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Does this behavior violate EPL or 
community prinicples
 
+Tools PMC (note bolded comment below)
+PDT dev list (please see 
https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=383977) 
 
From: [email protected] 
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of zhu 
kane
Sent: July-05-12 1:53 AM
To: Cross project issues
Subject: Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Does this behavior violate EPL or 
community prinicples
 
I also appreciate the effort of PDT team made, it's great to release 
maintenance version in Indigo SR2 time frame. And it still works well in 
Juno.

I don't think development team is possible to mess up the release version. 
Anyway I would like to see comments from PDT and PMC.

Mengxin
On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 3:04 PM, Ed Willink <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi

The situation doesn't seem nearly as bad as you make out.

The public promoted builds on http://www.eclipse.org/pdt/downloads/ show a 
2-Jan-2012 3.0.0 Maintenance build as the most recent and examining the 
ZIP content reveals 3.0.1 content.

Installing the Juno release train installs a 2-Jan-2012 3.0.1, which 
correlates with the Eclipse CVS.

The Hudson build job 
https://hudson.eclipse.org/hudson/job/cbi-pdt-3.0-juno/changes shows 
active public development of 3.1 in the Eclipse CVS. 

So it seems there are some releng difficulties that cause 3.0.1 to be 
listed as 3.0.0 on the download page, and some over-enthusiasm that causes 
a 3.0.1 contribution to be called 3.1.

A rename can fix the download page. A resubmission of the review slides 
can fix the misleading version claim. Perhaps Kepler should be 3.2 to 
avoid more confusion.

    Regards

        Ed Willink


On 04/07/2012 06:17, zhu kane wrote: 
Hello community,

I hesitated about raising such question in here. But I can't get any 
response from PDT project even if filing critical bug for it[1].

PDT team announced PDT 3.1 was released[2] with Juno simultaneous release. 
PDT 3.1 also is listed in highlighted Juno project
list[3]. But none of Eclipse users knows how to install it.

I would like to believe it's just a bug, however nobody of PDT project 
takes action for it. In my understanding all projects of Eclipse.org are 
open source, everybody can browse the latest source code even under 
developing. I'm astonished that I can't find any commit related to PDT 3.1 
from its source repository[4]. Looks like PDT 3.1 doesn't have any public 
nightly build and integration build. I only find a build[5] for 3.0 in 
Hudson.

I'm wondering whether Eclipse.org/EPL allows a project under it that is 
not really open source and just declared its new release. Hope experienced 
people help resolve my doubts.

Thank you.

[1] https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=383977
[2] https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/attachment.cgi?id=216929
[3] http://eclipse.org/juno/projects.php
[4] 
http://dev.eclipse.org/viewcvs/viewvc.cgi/org.eclipse.pdt/features/org.eclipse.php-feature/?root=Tools_Project

[5] https://hudson.eclipse.org/hudson/job/cbi-pdt-3.0-juno/changes

Mengxin Zhu 
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