+1 for a respin to avoid risk of negative impact on Eclipse users and how they think about Eclipse
Stephan 2015-09-23 11:58 GMT+02:00 Lars Vogel <lars.vo...@vogella.com>: > +1 for a respin from my side > Am 23.09.2015 11:56 vorm. schrieb "Marcel Bruch" < > marcel.br...@codetrails.com>: > >> Hi Etienne, >> >> Since then, Buildship has been downloaded about 10’000 times but only 2 >> people reported a problem >> >> >> Well, I think this is not a strong indication for two reasons: >> >> 1. Eclipse-IDE-wide we see more than half a million submitted >> (automated) error reports in the last quarter - which boil down to >> twenty-thousand distinct problematic locations in source code. Most of >> them >> are NullPointerExceptions. How many of them have been reported before? >> 2. I also doubt that many users relate the disappearance of the >> dialog with Buildship, thus, rather blame Eclipse than Buildship. It’s a >> subtile but annoying bug. >> >> >> >> Besides that: >> * I weight the cost of a respin much lower than the annoyance users might >> experience >> * I now understand that this issue occurs for Gradle users only (thanks >> for explaining) - but for all of them. As of today 10.000 users got >> affected by it. From October to February (Mars.1) 10.000 * x users will get >> affected by it again. This is a fair amount of users IMHO. >> * I assume Buildship would prefer to ship the fixed version (maybe I’m >> wrong). >> >> >> So far the discussion has been lead by a handful people - which likely is >> not representative for all opinions. >> If I summarize correctly: David is fine with keeping it "as is“, Mikael >> want’s a respin. I second Mikaels position. >> Maybe others have no strong feelings or don’t care. >> >> It’s not on me to push a decision. But I’ve a clear preference - pro our >> users and pro Buildship. >> >> Marcel >> >> >> >> Am 23.09.2015 um 11:28 schrieb Etienne Studer <etie...@gradle.com>: >> >> Hi Marcel >> >> Only Buildship users that have launched at least one Gradle task from the >> Tasks View may be affected. And, even then, only two users have reported a >> problem with the workspace prompt so far. >> >> Please note that we introduced the call to bundle.start() on June 6th. >> Since then, Buildship has been downloaded about 10’000 times, but only 2 >> people reported a problem with the workspace prompt (if that serves as any >> kind of indication). >> >> Etienne >> >> >> On 23.09.2015, at 10:11, Marcel Bruch <marcel.br...@codetrails.com> >> wrote: >> >> I commented on the linked bug and currently strongly disagree with >> David’s opinion. >> >> >> Short: >> If every Eclipse user using the Java, Java EE, or RCP/RAP EPP Package is >> affected by this, then its no doubt a blocker. >> Then, I vote for a rebuild (and if necessary for postponing the release >> if necessary - just to make clear how strong I feel about it). >> >> If not every Java, Java EE, or RCP/RAP EPP Package user is affected by >> it, I’d like to understand when this issue occurs - and when it doesn’t. >> >> Follow-ups in Bugzilla. >> Marcel >> >> >> >> >> Am 23.09.2015 um 09:27 schrieb Mickael Istria <mist...@redhat.com>: >> >> My favourite NetBeans troll couldn't miss this opportunity >> https://twitter.com/ehsavoie/status/646583406176960512 >> Tha and my regular chats with various IDE users (I spend a few hours >> monthly trying to convince IntelliJ and NetBeans users that Eclipse IDE >> isn't that bad) make me feel that this issue is "reputation busting >> embarrassing". At least, I don't know how I could keep on evangelizing >> about Eclipse IDE if our community is OK to ship a major bug in a high >> visible project to its users. >> The bar of quality expectation has raised, IntelliJ and NetBeans are >> doing a great job, shipping applications that seem mostly bug-free. If we >> want Eclipse IDE to stay relevant we cannot ship applications with a >> critical bug. >> -- >> Mickael Istria >> Eclipse developer at JBoss, by Red Hat <http://www.jboss.org/tools> >> My blog <http://mickaelistria.wordpress.com/> - My Tweets >> <http://twitter.com/mickaelistria> >> _______________________________________________ >> cross-project-issues-dev mailing list >> cross-project-issues-dev@eclipse.org >> To change your delivery options, retrieve your password, or unsubscribe >> from this list, visit >> https://dev.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/cross-project-issues-dev >> >> >> -- >> Codetrails GmbH >> The knowledge transfer company >> >> Robert-Bosch-Str. 7, 64293 Darmstadt >> Phone: +49-6151-276-7092 >> Mobile: +49-179-131-7721 >> http://www.codetrails.com/ >> >> Managing Director: Dr. Marcel Bruch >> Handelsregister: Darmstadt HRB 91940 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> cross-project-issues-dev mailing list >> cross-project-issues-dev@eclipse.org >> To change your delivery options, retrieve your password, or unsubscribe >> from this list, visit >> https://dev.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/cross-project-issues-dev >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> cross-project-issues-dev mailing list >> cross-project-issues-dev@eclipse.org >> To change your delivery options, retrieve your password, or unsubscribe >> from this list, visit >> https://dev.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/cross-project-issues-dev >> >> >> -- >> Codetrails GmbH >> The knowledge transfer company >> >> Robert-Bosch-Str. 7, 64293 Darmstadt >> Phone: +49-6151-276-7092 >> Mobile: +49-179-131-7721 >> http://www.codetrails.com/ >> >> Managing Director: Dr. Marcel Bruch >> Handelsregister: Darmstadt HRB 91940 >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> cross-project-issues-dev mailing list >> cross-project-issues-dev@eclipse.org >> To change your delivery options, retrieve your password, or unsubscribe >> from this list, visit >> https://dev.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/cross-project-issues-dev >> > > _______________________________________________ > cross-project-issues-dev mailing list > cross-project-issues-dev@eclipse.org > To change your delivery options, retrieve your password, or unsubscribe > from this list, visit > https://dev.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/cross-project-issues-dev >
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