Cryptography-Digest Digest #12, Volume #14 Mon, 26 Mar 01 08:13:01 EST
Contents:
Re: Arick wants to eat gentle carrots (filterguy)
Re: [INFO] FBI requires CIA (filterguy)
Re: [STATS] Septic asks more of nice TLA (filterguy)
Re: Mix needs more of tasty pommies (filterguy)
Kill-filter expression for script weenie (filterguy)
Dizum would love Pangborn (Anonymous)
TLA loves to eat all perl scripts (Nomen Nescio)
Re: Our newsgroup under attack (Mok-Kong Shen)
Gates wants to sodomize sympathetic algorithm (Anonymous)
Re: Kill-filter expression for script weenie (Juergen Nieveler)
Re: Senshi needs nice mexicans (Anonymous)
Tr: Tuttle sure used to encode some FBI (Anonymous)
Re: Crack it! ("Benjamin Johnston")
Re: Attn: Chris Drake and Thomas Boschloo (Boschloo-NO)
Re: Gore needs to read crunchy algorithm (Frog2)
Tr: Tuttle asks to burn ass-holes (Anonymous)
Deny Anon Remailers access to this newsgroup (Frank Gerlach)
Licious loves most of Pangborn (Anonymous)
Re: Licious asks all Aids-infected onions (Anonymous)
Re: Deny Anon Remailers access to this newsgroup (Keith)
Re: crypto ("scott")
Re: New PGP Flaw Verified By Phil Zimmerman, Allows Signatures to be Forged (Joe
H. Acker)
Re: Deny Anon Remailers access to this newsgroup (Frank Gerlach)
Re: Potential of machine translation techniques? (Richard Herring)
Re: => FBI easily cracks encryption ...? (John Savard)
Re: => FBI easily cracks encryption ...? (John Savard)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (filterguy)
Crossposted-To: alt.privacy.anon-server,alt.security.pgp
Subject: Re: Arick wants to eat gentle carrots
Date: 26 Mar 2001 10:02:29 GMT
A filter expression that kills all these posts is:
for (Forte) Agent:
subject: (love*|need*|ask*|require*|uses*|want*|used) and from:
(anonymous|melon|frog2|remailer|steeleye|nescio)
For Xnews (and slrn?):
Score: -9999
Expires: 4/25/2001
Subject: (love|need|ask|require|use(s|d)|want)
From: (anonymous|melon|frog2|remailer|steeleye|nescio)
I've tested both in Agent and Xnews in the alt.security.pgp
newsgroup. Both filters exclusively kill Mr. Kiddie's rantings, but
you should test them yourself. Especially in other newsgroups.
(Note: In the "Subject:" section, Script Kiddie uses only the forms
"uses" & "used", but not "use". I chose to include both "used" and
"uses" in the filter expressions because filtering with the root
word "use" killed a couple of legitimate posts in a.s.p.)
fg
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (filterguy)
Crossposted-To: alt.privacy.anon-server,alt.security.pgp
Subject: Re: [INFO] FBI requires CIA
Date: 26 Mar 2001 10:02:30 GMT
A filter expression that kills all these posts is:
for (Forte) Agent:
subject: (love*|need*|ask*|require*|uses*|want*|used) and from:
(anonymous|melon|frog2|remailer|steeleye|nescio)
For Xnews (and slrn?):
Score: -9999
Expires: 4/25/2001
Subject: (love|need|ask|require|use(s|d)|want)
From: (anonymous|melon|frog2|remailer|steeleye|nescio)
I've tested both in Agent and Xnews in the alt.security.pgp
newsgroup. Both filters exclusively kill Mr. Kiddie's rantings, but
you should test them yourself. Especially in other newsgroups.
(Note: In the "Subject:" section, Script Kiddie uses only the forms
"uses" & "used", but not "use". I chose to include both "used" and
"uses" in the filter expressions because filtering with the root
word "use" killed a couple of legitimate posts in a.s.p.)
fg
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (filterguy)
Crossposted-To: alt.privacy.anon-server,alt.security.pgp
Subject: Re: [STATS] Septic asks more of nice TLA
Date: 26 Mar 2001 10:02:31 GMT
A filter expression that kills all these posts is:
for (Forte) Agent:
subject: (love*|need*|ask*|require*|uses*|want*|used) and from:
(anonymous|melon|frog2|remailer|steeleye|nescio)
For Xnews (and slrn?):
Score: -9999
Expires: 4/25/2001
Subject: (love|need|ask|require|use(s|d)|want)
From: (anonymous|melon|frog2|remailer|steeleye|nescio)
I've tested both in Agent and Xnews in the alt.security.pgp
newsgroup. Both filters exclusively kill Mr. Kiddie's rantings, but
you should test them yourself. Especially in other newsgroups.
(Note: In the "Subject:" section, Script Kiddie uses only the forms
"uses" & "used", but not "use". I chose to include both "used" and
"uses" in the filter expressions because filtering with the root
word "use" killed a couple of legitimate posts in a.s.p.)
fg
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (filterguy)
Crossposted-To: alt.privacy.anon-server,alt.security.pgp
Subject: Re: Mix needs more of tasty pommies
Date: 26 Mar 2001 10:02:34 GMT
A filter expression that kills all these posts is:
for (Forte) Agent:
subject: (love*|need*|ask*|require*|uses*|want*|used) and from:
(anonymous|melon|frog2|remailer|steeleye|nescio)
For Xnews (and slrn?):
Score: -9999
Expires: 4/25/2001
Subject: (love|need|ask|require|use(s|d)|want)
From: (anonymous|melon|frog2|remailer|steeleye|nescio)
I've tested both in Agent and Xnews in the alt.security.pgp
newsgroup. Both filters exclusively kill Mr. Kiddie's rantings, but
you should test them yourself. Especially in other newsgroups.
(Note: In the "Subject:" section, Script Kiddie uses only the forms
"uses" & "used", but not "use". I chose to include both "used" and
"uses" in the filter expressions because filtering with the root
word "use" killed a couple of legitimate posts in a.s.p.)
fg
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (filterguy)
Crossposted-To: alt.security.pgp
Subject: Kill-filter expression for script weenie
Date: 26 Mar 2001 10:02:37 GMT
A filter expression that kills the Script Kiddie posts:
for (Forte) Agent:
subject: (love*|need*|ask*|require*|uses*|want*|used) and from:
(anonymous|melon|frog2|remailer|steeleye|nescio)
For Xnews (and slrn?):
Score: -9999
Expires: 4/25/2001
Subject: (love|need|ask|require|use(s|d)|want)
From: (anonymous|melon|frog2|remailer|steeleye|nescio)
fg
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Date: 26 Mar 2001 10:18:08 -0000
From: Anonymous <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Dizum would love Pangborn
Crossposted-To: soc.men,alt.security.pgp
0,6706436 0,4141366 0,2343778 -2001/03/26 00:16:28-
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Re: My brother requires most of tasty NSA
Exonet needs politically correct onions
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From: Nomen Nescio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: TLA loves to eat all perl scripts
Crossposted-To: soc.men,alt.security.pgp
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 12:20:02 +0200 (CEST)
[STATS] Licious loves to read gentle republicans
The dog loves to fuck remaining of mexicans
0,3709299 1,383936E-02 0,7085851 -2001/03/25 23:33:39-
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From: Mok-Kong Shen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Our newsgroup under attack
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 12:19:09 +0200
John Savard wrote:
>
> Well, I suppose it finally had to happen. Some idiot is sending
> randomized messages built from canned phrases massively into this
> newsgroup.
In the physical world we are accustomed already to graffitis
(ugly paintings of walls or buildings or trains with all
kinds colours by certain wild kids and vagabond adults) such
that one barely notice even their existence. This is due to
something fundamental about the perception mechanism of our
brain that automatically filters away noises, if I don't err.
So, with the aid of selection features common to newsreaders
or more effective tools, I am sure that most of us would
easily ignore that noise so that those who create noise
really don't achieve anything they intend. It seems on the
other hand a bit remarkable, though, that both groups under
attack are crypto groups.
M. K. Shen
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Date: 26 Mar 2001 10:24:18 -0000
From: Anonymous <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Gates wants to sodomize sympathetic algorithm
Crossposted-To: soc.men,alt.security.pgp
FBI probably loves to burn smelly perl scripts
Cracker wants terrible PGP code
[ANNOUNCE] Cracow2 sure uses most of spotty TLA
Mix used smelly CIA
0,4740635 0,1599439 0,3412554 -2001/03/26 00:13:05-
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FBI used to infect plenty of these tasty MIX keys
NSA loves to read faggots
Dizum fucking used to encode plenty of some priapic C++ code
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Crossposted-To: alt.security.pgp
Subject: Re: Kill-filter expression for script weenie
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Juergen Nieveler)
Date: 26 Mar 2001 12:37:37 +0200
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (filterguy) wrote:
>For Xnews (and slrn?):
>
> Score: -9999
> Expires: 4/25/2001
> Subject: (love|need|ask|require|use(s|d)|want)
> From: (anonymous|melon|frog2|remailer|steeleye|nescio)
Thanks!
Did anybody set up rules for Hamster yet? I'm not too familiar with reglar
expressions :-(
It would sure save some time to block the Troll-drivel in Hamster so I
don't have to download it first...
--
Juergen Nieveler
Support the ban of Dihydrogen Monoxide: http://www.dhmo.org/
"The people united can never be ignited!"- Sgt. Colon, Ankh-Morpork Watch
www.bofh.mynetcologne.de / [EMAIL PROTECTED] / PGP Supported!
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Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 12:43:25 +0200
From: Anonymous <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Senshi needs nice mexicans
Crossposted-To: soc.men,alt.security.pgp
[WARNING] His cat requires to fuck obnoxious faggots
[STATS] Green loves to fist-fuck more of those Aids-infected CIA
0,3763084 0,173241 0,4537688 -2001/03/26 00:10:49-
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Date: 26 Mar 2001 10:43:02 -0000
From: Anonymous <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Tr: Tuttle sure used to encode some FBI
Crossposted-To: soc.men,alt.security.pgp
TLA uses gentle potatoes
[WARNING] Frog loves to encode Pangborn
0,5266613 0,4726704 0,8040157 -2001/03/25 22:29:48-
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Xganon uses PGP code
TLA would love to fist-fuck these CIA
Uppnorth loves to write Aids-infected algorithm
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From: "Benjamin Johnston" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Crack it!
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 20:52:00 +1000
> I used what I had proposed in posts "Idea" and "fast and easy".
> I hope you decrypt it, if it's easy and useless.
>
> I used very pseudo-random short key : 12 digits
> I used the same key in the two communications.
> I used two categories other than odds and even.
> I'm just an amateur.
I'm also an amateur, but I'm tempted to give it a go (I don't agree that
what you've proposed is as secure as OTP, as you seem keen on claiming).
But your English is difficult to follow...
How about;
a. Providing source code to a program that will perform your encryption (or
an accurate and mathematical description of the algorithm (your previous
descriptions aren't anywhere near precise enough), so that I can follow the
process myself).
b. Encrypting a bit more sample text... say, an entire chapter of a book.
[And don't tell me to re-read what you've already posted... your other posts
are impossible to understand... and it isn't clear how you're mapping
plaintext characters into binary].
-Benjamin Johnston
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 05:49:51 -0500
Subject: Re: Attn: Chris Drake and Thomas Boschloo
Crossposted-To: alt.security.pgp,comp.security.pgp.discuss,alt.privacy.anon-server
From: Boschloo-NO <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
NOTICE: This message may not have been sent by the Sender Name
above. Always use cryptographic digital signatures to verify
the identity of the sender of any usenet post or e-mail.
On Sun, 25 Mar 2001, "Thomas J. Boschloo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
NONSENSE from Boschloo, as usual,
trying to occupy frontstage and quarreling with someone to pretend to be important
HISTORY:
That Boschloo bozo is a clown and a troll who has been looming around for nearly a
year.
Don't mistake a "regular" (troll) with a knowledgeable person: that self-proclaimed
"security expert" is not even a remailer user. In the past, he proved himself unable
to check a PGP signature, and got ridicule from every single technical topic he wanted
to talk about.
Besides false or inaccurate or misleading technical misinformation, his posts are
about his avowed mental illness, or for bashing remops or real freedom fighters: he
likes to quarrel with every one, and stir shit. Sometimes, it is even pure delirium
(when he misses his pills?)
One of his last actions was to stage a hoax about his own suicide, just to try to grab
some sympathy, after he had been exposed as a troll and technically incompetent.
The worst being his teasing of Script-Kiddie until it triggered a new flood on apas.
Of course, he refuses to apologize.
Actually, the level of contempt he shows for remailer users:
they don't give their names, while he does
that can't do anything against him, without giving their names
is in no way different from what is displayed by Pangborn, Burnore and the like
Ignore him completely, killfile him, respect others' killfiles
KILLFILE:
To put him in your killfile, put "Author: Boschloo"
That will make disappear both him and people who warn about him
If you want to tell him to buzz off, or warn about him,
use a nickname containing "Boschloo" (Boschloo Hater, Boschloo Sucks,...)
to accomodate such killfile for "regulars", and still warn newbies
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From: Frog2 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 26 Mar 2001 10:48:08 -0000
Subject: Re: Gore needs to read crunchy algorithm
Crossposted-To: soc.men,alt.security.pgp
Lcs uses nice carrots
Randseed definitely requires to sodomize most of Aids-infected potatoes
0,4846146 0,3827463 0,4719813 -2001/03/25 21:13:39-
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Arafat wants remaining of priapic democrats
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Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 03:05:49 -0800
From: Anonymous <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Tr: Tuttle asks to burn ass-holes
Crossposted-To: soc.men,alt.security.pgp
Tr: My brother would love to read FBI
Exonet absolutely loves to infect plenty of Kenneth Pangborn
Tr: Frog wants CIA
[WARNING] Senshi wants sympathetic toilet paper
0,1113256 0,8894541 0,9163355 -2001/03/25 22:50:33-
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TLA loves to sodomize obnoxious toilet paper
Tr: Exonet uses those TLA
Exonet requires PGP code
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From: Frank Gerlach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Deny Anon Remailers access to this newsgroup
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 13:28:23 +0200
I cannot find a good reason why anon remailers should be allowed to
post to sci.crypt. If someone needs pseudo-anonymity, just change your
name in the news client.
That should btw help against stalkers, although it does not help against
an evil government...
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Date: 26 Mar 2001 11:48:39 -0000
From: Anonymous <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Licious loves most of Pangborn
Crossposted-To: soc.men,alt.security.pgp
My brother asks those spotty TLA
TLA needs these gentle algorithm
Tr: The neigbour asks to write jews
0,9441446 0,2182065 0,5109501 -2001/03/26 00:28:20-
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[STATS] The bishop fucking requires to read most of niggers
[WARNING] Mix requires NSA
The bishop uses faggots
Winter wants gentle TLA
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Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 03:55:10 -0800
From: Anonymous <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Licious asks all Aids-infected onions
Crossposted-To: soc.men,alt.security.pgp
0,445164 4,608101E-02 0,9095286 -2001/03/25 23:46:38-
Script-Kiddie MASTER of APAS/ADRU/SM/AUK
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NSA needs VB code
The dog wants all tasteful mexicans
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From: Keith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Deny Anon Remailers access to this newsgroup
Reply-To: "Keith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 12:10:00 GMT
On Mon, 26 Mar 2001 13:28:23 +0200, Frank Gerlach
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I cannot find a good reason why anon remailers should be allowed to
>post to sci.crypt.
You can't "find" any reason why anonymous remailers should be allowed? Did you
do a internet search on Google and come up empty?
> If someone needs pseudo-anonymity, just change your
>name in the news client.
Which will help you track down the people you don't like.
>That should btw help against stalkers, although it does not help against
>an evil government...
How do you stalk someone on a newsgroup? Is following up a post on usenet or
posting a negative view point stalking now? Take your complaint to Majordomo
and Major Cool.
--
Best Regards,
Keith (Use Reply-to for email)
==================================================================
9th Circuit Judge Fletcher: Then you're not contending that the---our
government's capacity to protect its communications is compromised.
What you're asserting is that what's compromised is your capacity to
eavesdrop on others.
==================================================================
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From: "scott" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.hackers.malicious,comp.security.ssh
Subject: Re: crypto
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 13:17:39 +0100
cheers, i'll watch and see the follow-ups
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Joe H. Acker)
Crossposted-To:
alt.privacy.anon-server,alt.security.pgp,comp.security.pgp.discuss,comp.security.pgp.resources,comp.security.pgp.tech
Subject: Re: New PGP Flaw Verified By Phil Zimmerman, Allows Signatures to be Forged
Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 20:10:58 +0100
Frank Gerlach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > There shall be no reason to store your private key, which is properly
> > encrypted, in the deposit. We have shown that in the case of the OpenPGP
> > format the encrypted private key MUST NOT be stored in the place, where the
> > attacker can access and modify it. From here we conclude that private keys
> > are NOT PROPERLY ENCRYPTED in the OpenPGP format and derived applications.
>
> They are not secured against TAMPERING.
Look, Tomas Rosa has claimed that he and his colleague can obtain the
secret key although it is encrypted. If this claim is true, then clearly
OpenPGP's private key encryption is "broken" or "compromised" or however
you call the ability of the attacker to obtain the private key without
knowing the correct key for the decrypting the private key.
> > Moreover it is also realistic. In the networked systems users usually
>> would
> > like to store their containers with private keys in some shared place
> >to be
> > able to have their keys ready to use on any workstation in the network.
>
> Yeah, anytime. Too difficult to store some kilobytes on a floppy.
> >Too heavy, to
> bulky, those 3.5 inch floppies.
Most PGP users do not store private keys on portable disks. The
encryption of the private key was supposed to be secure. If it was a
necessary security requirement to put the private key in a secure place,
then there was no need to encrypt it. But it is encrypted.
> > Note
> > that this is the default option in the PGP. In such scenario it is clear
> > that the user has very little or no control on the encrypted private key.
> > Anybody who can modify this information when it is going through the network
> > can carry out the attack. Of course your network administrator is the first
> > person who can be the attacker.
>
> Your network adimistrator will most probably replace PGP itself with a
> trojan-horsed version, if he wants your key.
He can't because PGP is on your PC. The attack scenario described does
not require direct access to your PC.
> > We think that users shall not have to care
> > about such thinks (when their private keys are properly encrypted, of
> > course). Btw: wasn't it the main idea behind the whole PGP to give its
> > users
> > "Pretty Good Privacy" in such environments?
>
> >
> > So, from the practical point of view, the attack is pretty realistic.
>
> Maybe *you* are storing your secret key on a shared drive. Security-concious
> people store it on a floppy disk, which the physically control.
I doubt that you are able to reliably destroy the key disk or even keep
it safe. That's as unrealistic as writing all your passphrases on a
piece of paper you keep in your wallet. This does only work as long as
someone isn't *seriously* interested in obtaining them.
> >
> >
> > More information will be available in the crypto-paper, which will be
> > released soon at www.i.cz.
>
> Next time, please clearly state the THREAT MODEL. Telling people that write
> access to the secret key is necessary would have been easily possible.
I had no problems understanding this. Perhaps you should read more
carfully next time.
Regards,
Erich
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From: Frank Gerlach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Deny Anon Remailers access to this newsgroup
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 14:24:08 +0200
> You can't "find" any reason why anonymous remailers should be allowed? Did you
> do a internet search on Google and come up empty?
I was SPECIFICALLY referring to THIS newsgroup; I don't care about those
conspiracy newsgroups.
> Which will help you track down the people you don't like.
Difficult, if you go through a major ISP, who has plenty of
customers.(Sure, not for an (evil) govt.)
>
> >That should btw help against stalkers, although it does not help against
> >an evil government...
>
> How do you stalk someone on a newsgroup? Is following up a post on usenet or
> posting a negative view point stalking now? Take your complaint to Majordomo
> and Major Cool.
It seems that somebody named "Boschloo" is the target of the person
running this jamming script. Actually, it is not just stalking, but also
a Denial Of Service attack.
>
> --
> Best Regards,
>
> Keith (Use Reply-to for email)
> ------------------------------------------------------------------
> 9th Circuit Judge Fletcher: Then you're not contending that the---our
> government's capacity to protect its communications is compromised.
> What you're asserting is that what's compromised is your capacity to
> eavesdrop on others.
> ------------------------------------------------------------------
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Herring)
Subject: Re: Potential of machine translation techniques?
Date: 26 Mar 2001 10:11:16 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In article <99e5mq$kk0$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Henrick Hellström
([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> "Richard Herring" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> skrev i meddelandet
> news:99cup3$72m$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > Does Ireland actually use Irish for any official EU business?
> Yes, I certainly think so, at least in written documents, but perhaps not
> during live sessions.
Surprising if so. There's no suggestion that it figures among
the 11 languages covered by the official EU translation service
(http://europa.eu.int/comm/translation/) I'm open to correction,
but I suggest that the syllogism "Irish is an official language of
Ireland. Ireland is a member state of the EU. Therefore Irish
is an official language of the EU." is flawed.
> > > Isle of Man and in Scotland, are Celtic languages.
> >
> > Don't forget Welsh.
> Welsh is indeed a Celtic, but AFAIK not a Gaelic language.
Correct; it's P-Celtic, not Q. But like Irish in Ireland it has
official status in Wales. Obviously the parallel is not exact
since Wales is not a sovereign state.
> [snip]
> > > As far as I know all documents are also translated to the languages of
> the
> > > two remaining EES countries (Norway and Iceland, Germanic languages), as
> > > well as to the languages of the candidate countries, e.g. Estonia
> (related
> > > to Finnish), Poland, the Czeck Republic, Slovenia (Slavic languages),
> > > Hungary (remotely related to Finnish) and Cyprus (Greek and Turkish, the
> > > latter yet another non Indo European languange).
> >
> > And are all these languages included in the machine-translation project?
> If these countries where to become members, their official languages ought
> to be included. Isn't the purpose of the machineanslation project in fact
> to deal with the prospect of that many languages? But I don't know for
> sure...
Now we're piling hypotheses upon conditionals.
Is there actual evidence for fully-automated translation between:
just two closely related languages?
All Germanic or all Romance languages?
All IE languages?
All 11 current official EU languages?
All prospective EU languages?
Wider?
--
Richard Herring | <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Savard)
Crossposted-To: alt.security.pgp,talk.politics.crypto
Subject: Re: => FBI easily cracks encryption ...?
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 12:45:28 GMT
On Mon, 5 Mar 2001 11:43:22 +0100, "kroesjnov" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote, in part:
>I just think that safety from terrorists and foreign army`s weights more me
>me, then absolute privacy. This does not mean I do not want any privacy...
The trouble is, however, that one can never put full trust in any
government or any other human institution. We do not want the
government to be able to edge into becoming a dictatorship by slow,
unnoticeable steps.
Rather, what is wanted is a public that is informed and aware, and
that insists that the government abide by the traditional list of
limitations on government worked out when democracy was fully
developed in the 18th century. In this way, if some politician makes
the first steps towards turning a country into a dictatorship,
everyone will immediately realize what is going on, and the police and
army will cease to cooperate with him.
We cannot have a grey area, because it is in the grey area that white
slowly slides over into black without anyone knowing where to draw the
line.
John Savard
http://home.ecn.ab.ca/~jsavard/crypto.htm
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Savard)
Subject: Re: => FBI easily cracks encryption ...?
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 12:55:29 GMT
On Sun, 11 Mar 2001 06:31:10 GMT, "Douglas A. Gwyn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote, in part:
>Mxsmanic wrote:
>> In all computer-based cryptosystems, cryptography has advanced much
>> further than cryptanalysis. The more advanced computers become, the
>> greater the gap between the cryptographer and the cryptanalyst, with
>> all the advantage going to the cryptographer.
>You're merely repeating what I already disputed. I'm sure that's
>a popular *opinion*, but how do we *know* that it is so? The only
>arguments I've heard so far have been based on an erroneous
>assumption, that C/A has to proceed by brute-force key search
>or else that the best possible attacks are certain horribly weak
>ones that happen to have already been published.
Well, I would think that as a cipher gets more complicated, the
difficulty of cracking it does go up somewhat more quickly than
linearly in the time taken to perform encryption and decryption.
Exactly as quickly as the time for a brute-force search? Perhaps not,
but actually, that does seem likely, because as a cipher becomes more
complex, the ability to find a faster way to solve it decreases; and a
faster computer does not equal a faster cryptanalyst either. Thus, of
course there will be attacks faster than brute-force, but they will
become less effective, rather than more, as the complexity of the
cipher being attacked increases.
The speed of human brains is fixed, and so far, computers can't
exercise human judgement.
However, there is an advantage to the cryptographer from computers
becoming faster ONLY if the cryptographer keeps taking advantage of
the speedup by switching to larger and more complicated ciphers as
soon as it becomes possible. It does not help you to be using a faster
computer to encipher things in DES. And this ties in with what you say
later on:
>Maybe you missed the discussion in the "super strong crypto" thread.
>The problem is that people are *using today* block ciphers as though
>they were unconditionally secure, with no extra margin of safety if
>that assumption happens to be wrong. There *are* additional, easy
>to afford, measures that could be applied to cover one's @$$. If one
>starts out being suspicious of the security of "the most secure system
>you can find", one is less likely to just accept it as is and more
>likely to make it more secure. Attitudes matter.
I agree with this. Although for most people, cryptography is low on
the list of computer security threats they need to worry about, the
fact that cryptanalysis, unlike active intrusions, can't be detected
justifies putting at least some effort into that lock on the front
door.
John Savard
http://home.ecn.ab.ca/~jsavard/crypto.htm
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