AFAIK, the cards are still the same (Sony FeliCa:
http://www.sony.net/Products/felica/): I never changed mine since I got it
several years ago. The same card was also adopted in 2002 by EZ-Link in
Singapore (http://www.ezlink.com.sg ).

Enzo

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Subject: Re: EMV


> ... the original introduction of HK octopus transit card used the
> "sony" flavor of iso 14443 with 10cm and transit requirements of
> transaction in 100ms. having it in the bottom of a bag and bringing the
> bag within 10cm of the reader does the trick.
>
> there was a transit meeting where the mondex people attended ... they
> claimed that they could also be used for transit ... just get a wireless
> sleave for the mondex card ... and build 14' long tunnels leading up to
> the transit gates ... and have the people walk slowly thru the tunnels.
>
> Gabriel Haythornthwaite wrote:
> > In Hong Kong a lot of people do little more than wave their bags at
the
> > turnstile.  Removing the wallet and revealing its size is unnecessary.
>
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