"Conceptually one doesn't find paragraphs in lists - only list-items. One could argue that something that isn't a list-item within a list should be treated as if it weren't in the list, regards formatting at least."
I think you've got it there. Either your paragraph is in fact a list item, albeit styled like a paragraph, or it's a paragraph which splits two separate lists. Either way, is looks like the 'value' attribute can be used to achieve what you're looking for visually. For the second option: <ol> <li>Get out of bed.</li> <li>Clean up in the bathroom.</li> <li>Put on some clothes.</li> </ol> <p>At this point I was interupted by a stray cat wandering in to my room, sniffing at things, then leaving. Without any reason not to, I carried on my routine...</p> <ol> <li value="4">Check the post.</li> <li>Eat some breakfast.</li> </ol> I don't know how well value's supported, but it works on Firefox and IE6. http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/struct/lists.html ______________________________________________________________________ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/