Hi there Joanne,

> 
> Does anyone have any experience with either of these or can 
> you suggest
> another book/site to learn about designing sites without tables?
> 
> 

I'm sure you'll get a good number of replies for this one :)

Look out for books by Eric Meyer:

Eric Meyer on CSS:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/073571245X/qid=1127313697/sr=8-1/ref=pd_bbs_1/002-2875509-8293614?v=glance&s=books&n=507846

More Eric Meyer on CSS:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0735714258/qid=1127313697/sr=8-2/ref=pd_bbs_2/002-2875509-8293614?v=glance&s=books&n=507846

Dan Cederholm's a nice bloke who writes well:

Bulletproof web design:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0321346939/qid=1127313759/sr=8-1/ref=pd_bbs_1/002-2875509-8293614?v=glance&s=books&n=507846

Web standards solutions...:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1590593812/qid=1127313759/sr=8-2/ref=pd_bbs_2/002-2875509-8293614?v=glance&s=books&n=507846

As for web sites, I think that http://www.csszengarden.com is a great place to 
look once you've got your head around things.  They don't have explicit 
tutorials, but you can look at the source of the various CSS files to get a 
good idea of what's achievable.  Other than that, try googling.
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