This is still of topic but a very interesting and a related discussion....
So when does a browser become totally extinct? Where is the cut off line?
For me IE for mac is the Black Rhino of browsers. You would think from
these comments that for OS-9 users the only option is to use IE-MAC (Opera.
Firefox, ....take your pic). IE also seems to leak memory so the resources
argument doesn't really hold up. Firefox supposedly had a memory problem but
I have 1.5 beta running and so far so good
We can help this injured animal (IE-MAC) to a peaceful death by not
developing for it anymore.
If I visited websites that didn't work on my computer but on my mates
computer it worked perfectly well. I would not think that website was
excluding me I would think maybe my technology was not up to scracth. An
alternative could be to sniff for legacy browsers and issue a warning to
upgrade.
Anyway the best brower on the market in my opinion is OPERA.
I am interested in your opinions but keep the toys in the pram and no
quivering bottom lips please.
Ross
----- Original Message -----
From: "Arlen Walker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "css-discuss" <css-d@lists.css-discuss.org>
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2005 5:12 AM
Subject: Re: [css-d] scrollbars in div on MAC
On Oct 17, 2005, at 8:13 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
\IE for MAC is a AWFUL browser. And therefore is no longer being
developed.
Just a factual correction: IE/Mac is an "awful" browser because it is no
longer being developed.
The cynical side of me says the IE/Mac team paid the price for outshining
their Windows brethren; at the time IE/Mac was discontinued, it was very
nearly the most standards compliant browser on the market. It put
IE5.x/Win to shame and in many ways outdid IE6.
Sometimes mentally-challenged web developers force Mac users to use IE,
because they browser sniff and exclude all but IE, intentionally or
because they do browser sniffing badly. So mac users have to keep it
around, and so they use it, because it's easier to keep using it than to
keep track of what sites mistreat Safari and what sites don't.
Heck, it wasn't until v2 shipped that I started using Safari for a lot of
surfing. Until then the bugs in it made me prefer IE5.2 to it.
About 3% of users are MAC and out of there only a fraction wil use IE
(does anyone have an actual % of IE for MAC users).
As always, these stats are extremely site-dependent, and pretty much
meaningless; they're measuring a slef-selected sample, after all. If a
site gives the user of a particular browser a bad experience, those users
don't show up again. So quoting stats is a pretty futile endeavor.
Since it generally doesn't take much effort make a site appear decently
on MacIE5.2, I'd probably include them (I generally do in the sites I
build, anyway).
Why would you when you have Safari?? I would make a text only version
for these fools.
That'd sure make the problem go away. You wouldn't have to worry about
making a site look good for them, because they wouldn't visit your site
anymore. Probably even after they switched browsers at a later time.
(Users tend to develop habits like that, I've noticed. Treat them badly
once, and there's so much out there that they never really manage to get
around to giving you a second chance. It's not that they hate you, they
just don't care enough to make the time.)
As for Pascal's original problem, I'd suggest he try using
"overflow:auto;" and see what happens. After all, Firefix didn't add
support for this until v1.8, so it's highly unlikely IEMac has it. They
tended to build according to the specs, and that property wasn't in the
specs back then.
Have Fun,
Arlen
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