Ingo Chao wrote: >> A "degradation without grace" would be appropriate for IE6, I think.
I think you are right! :-) On the other hand, still lots of people don't know there are other things to see a webpage: that they call it 'browsers', and that these other browsers are mostly better. I agree that Adrian feels the http://www.hoscote.com/test/menu1.html page is not very appetising for the millions of IE-users... The javascript Adrian uses is too tricky for me, so as "be nice to IE" workarounds I see two possibilities : 1. Use the IE-png hack of WebFX with the behavior.htc method. I made a working testpage some time ago: http://home.tiscali.nl/developerscorner/designhulp/ie_png_hack.htm. It's in Dutch, but the sourcecode is html. Also a handfull of links to other (English) pages about the IE/not-png story and png's in general. Btw: the so-called better png-support in IE-7 seems to be only a partial improvement, is said. 2. Throw in the ring: an IE-only replacement of the png-images by gif-images with transparent corners. Then, all of a sudden, I saw that Adrian's testpages are made for just the normal fontsize (at each resolution). That means: when a users prefers/needs to see the site with one or more fontsizes bigger (and he/she can do that indeed, clientside!), then the result is that the menu gets a different (not too good) look&feel. See screenshot: http://home.tiscali.nl/developerscorner/css-discuss/images/menu-in-fontsize-plus-one.gif; this one was Firefox, but IE does the same (Opera still fine). - The menu is not liquid enough! That brings me to the question: do you really need the png's, and why not (for all browsers) use 256-color gifs with transparent corners? I think the somewhat more smooth edges in a png will be remarked only by say 1 to 5% of the site-visitors. All others have more eye for navigation and content, I guess. Anyway, that would make things a lot easier. Then you dont need a complex javascript, you can miss the browser-sniffer (and every now and then an update of it, to keep it working...), and some simple css can handle it. All images can be brought together in one (http://wellstyled.com/singlelang.php?lang=en&page=css-nopreload-rollovers.html <http://wellstyled.com/singlelang.php?lang=en&page=css-nopreload-rollovers.html>). As an illustration you can try my "Liquid Corners Playgarden" (http://home.tiscali.nl/developerscorner/liquidcorners/liquid-corners-playgarden-index.htm). Afterwards, sit down for 5 minutes reading a good book, then close your eyes, and remember on what site-pages you saw disgusting gif-corners which should be indoubtedly transparent png's (any comments are welcome!). We didn't manage to get your XMAS wish fullfilled, so: Happy New Year! francky ______________________________________________________________________ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
