In the case of the site you referred to, that's just a tiled image 
applied to the body tag:

http://www.maxdesign.com.au/presentation/process/img_39.gif

is that what you're trying to do?  If you don't already have it, I'd get 
FF and the developer toolbar and then click "edit CSS" and play with the 
css to see what's happening.

thanks,
Mike

Iorhael wrote:
> hmmm...just tried that but it didn't work...what I am actually wanting 
> is just the area outside the container box to be a different color...see 
> link for example:
> 
> http://www.maxdesign.com.au/presentation/process/example23.htm
> 
> Is that possible?
> 
> Debbie
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