Sorry for the delay in this post, I'm sure you thought I gave up but ....
Chris thanks for your post but here's my counter. >If you create a movie that only works on 16x9 or needs colour you >cannot stop people from watching it on a TV in 4x3 or black and white. Does this mean that we don't produce the 16x9? Using a non standard font is for me the high end video format. For people that want the user experience as it is intended they use it. If they have a different preference they can do so through their user agent. Now whether or not they know how to do that is up to them. BTW, I am not a designer. I just handle the production for the company I work for. So I deal with HTML and CSS everyday all day and enjoy every minute. This is one of the problems I run into over and over. Now I am not advocating people using crazy fonts that decrease readability and I would have to be thoroughly convinced by one of my designers why we should use it as the main text for content. My issue is creating headers and navigation. No matter what you say designers are going to create beautiful headers and navigations that match a company or organizations current branding. Now I am asking for this is because of accessibility. I want designers to be able to push the limits of communication art and still be accessible to every audience. I don't mind that it takes standards so long to come to fruition (ok maybe >5 years is a little much) but it keeps the distractions out. As for the @font-face, thanks Philipee for pointing that out, was this just a poor implementation or did no one know about it? If we don't do something about it, it will just become another plugin that we have to download just like flash, when really it should be part of the standard. >Can you create a design that can work with different screen sizes, >font sizes and content in several languages and text encodings? Only if you double dog dare me. Yeah I have no problem with this. Let me ask you this: (HEY FELIX!!! This is for you too.) Are the only accessible sites totally text? I would think most CSS gurus would say heck no. We can make beautiful acessible designs. What I am pointing out is an area that needs some serious attention. I want more accessibility! As for control, isn't being limited to use only the standard fonts another form of control. I just want to build the best user experience possible that matches the company or organizations branding that is accessible to everyone. Isn't that the goal? You would think this would be obvious with the shear amount of work- arounds for this that someone would be listening. Philipee, I'm slowly going through the discussion you suggested on this. Sorry for the delay, I have been incredibly busy with production as of late. fun stuff. Later. Nick ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --------------------------------------------- Nick Morgan | Web Developer | New City Media P: 540.552.1320 x204 F: 540.552.5493 C: 540.921.7835 W: www.newcitymedia.com ______________________________________________________________________ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d IE7b2 testing hub -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=IE7 List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/