Hi Gunlaug, thanks for the explanation. After reading the ALA article on negative margins I think I understand the reason for the LayoutGala #wrapper around #content and why I don't need it. My source order has the #sidenav before the content and it isn't floated....so the css ends up being much simpler and there is no need for the #wrapper. I think the main point I have missed in the past is, "margins (and thus, negative margins) are handled differently for floated and inline elements than they are for non-floated block-level elements."....more news to me and possiblly the missing link to my misunderstandings. Now I just have to find info on 'why & how' they are handled differently. Thanks again....and I'll be back! hehe...
================================================== rollandburn wrote: > http://blog.html.it/layoutgala/LayoutGala24.html > > div#wrapper{float:right;width:100%;margin-left:-200px} > div#content{margin-left:200px} Try to think of it like this: 1: div#wrapper will show up as a 100% wide float-container, but will /only take up space/ equivalent to '100% minus 200px' (regardless of how much that is). That leaves 200px empty space on the left side. 2: div#content will stay 200px away from the left edge of div#wrapper, so it won't cover up the empty space on the left side. Result: there's 200px empty space for 'navigation' and 'more stuff here' to stay in. ---- Method with 'negative margins' on floats is best described here... <http://www.alistapart.com/articles/negativemargins/> ....and your LayoutGala example is just a variation. This example on my site is a bit "overdone"... <http://www.gunlaug.no/contents/wd_demo_float_03.html> ....but the entire page-layout and the 'removed floats' rely entirely on the same 'negative margins' method as described in the ALA article. A useful bit of standard float-behavior. regards Georg -- http://www.gunlaug.no ______________________________________________________________________ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d IE7b2 testing hub -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=IE7 List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/