Hi Franckie,

You've done a great job with this 'hidden take-over' solution.
Your explanation of this 'flash' phenomenon was very clear.
Not only is my problem solved, but I also understand now what was causing 
it.

Thanks so much,
(en groeten uit Holland :-)
Dimpie


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "francky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "dimpie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 8:23 AM
Subject: Re: [css-d] Changing z-index with :hover -> screen starts 
flickering


> dimpie wrote:
>
>>I need some help with the following problem.
>>
>>I have a div#main - with color lightblue - which should is and should be 
>>on top when the webpage loads.
>>When I hover over it I want the div#menu - with color gold - to be on top.
>>
>>At first div#main has z-index 100. When I hover over div#main 
>>(div#main:hover) I change the z-index to 10.
>>
>>Div#menu has a z-index of 50.
>>
>>The problem is that the divs start fighting (= flickering) about who 
>>should be on top.
>>
>>This is the link: http://www.glassbox.nl/test/zindexproblem.htm.
>>
>>Thanks in advance.
>>
>>Dimpie.
>>
> Hi Dimpie,
> In fact the page is doing exactly what you asked:
>
>    * Hover over the #main > lower the z-index of the #main and show the
>      #menu.
>    * BUT ... if the #menu is shown, it is covering the #main.
>    * If the #main is covered, it is impossible to hover over it. :-)  [1]
>    * So if you go on hovering (the pc is checking the hover status on
>      the fly), then the #main is loosing his focus / hovering status,
>      and goes back to his default, the z-index 100.
>    * And, FLASH, the #menu on level 50 is gone.
>    * BUT ... as soon as the #menu is gone, the #main is not covered.
>    * And if the #main is visible, and the mouse is still on the same
>      position, hovering over the #main,
>    * Then FLASH ... the #main is going down, an the #menu is coming up
>      again.
>    * .... as long as you can stand to hover over the flashing/fighting
>      area,
>    * .... or if you can freeze the mouse on the same pixel.  ;-)
>
> The trick is to give the upper layer, the #menu, also the option to hover 
> over it. And if hovering over the #menu, it's z-index must get more than 
> the high-level of the #main background. Then there will be a hidden "take 
> over" of the hover by the second element. And if the mouse is loosing the 
> focus of the #menu AND the #main, the initial state is back: #main is 
> visible (and hoverable, to start again).
> And ... theory is working: see testpage 
> <http://home.tiscali.nl/developerscorner/css-discuss/test-zindexproblem.htm>.
>
> Success and greetings,
> (toedeloe)
> francky
>
> [1]
> Notice if you stay hovering in the #main area under the #menu area, there 
> is no flickering.
>
> btw-1: The ieupdate.js file isn't in the pointed folder, it's a 404; don't 
> know if thats important for something.
>
> btw-2: Browsers aren't impressed by huge z-index numbers. They only can 
> see: "is it more or is it less or is it equal?". The human idea "I give a 
> lot z-indexes more, then the browser will sure understand and do better 
> what I ask" doesn't have any influence on stupid machines. - So z-indexes 
> 1,2,3,4 can work as well as 10, 50, 100, 5000 (eh, in case there are empty 
> levels between).
> 


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