On Sun, 11 Mar 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Having some real problems with styling and formatting the following form
> elements. I don't seem able to have any impact on them at all...
>
> <legend>, <fieldset>,

There are many limitations and bugs in browsers, but those elements can be 
styled in several ways on modern browsers.

> I thought the following may have had some effect:
>
> HTML FORM legend{ - }

Well, "-" is not a CSS declaration, so the rule will indeed be ignored. 
:-) Seriously, if you put something simple there, like color: red, it will 
probably be applied. You don't need the HTML FORM part there; you can 
write just

legend { color: red; }

(which is not useful for anything but seeing that styling is possible).

For an analysis of specific issues, a specific style sheet, or 
(preferably) a URL is needed, and an identification of the browser(s) you 
used.

> I suppose I was hoping the DOM  may have come to my aid, but no such luck. I
> thought everything we do some how interacts with the DOM, but not CSS.

Well, yes, but you don't need to specify a path from the root element down 
to the element you wish to style. CSS selectors can be used much simpler.

> I had some minor success with <div class="HTML></div> but only partial..

Neither should you need such extra markup for the purpose of styling a 
legend, for example.

You might have encountered some specific browser bug, perhaps related to 
the use of a <form> element as the _first_ element in <body> (which is 
valid of course, but I've seen it trigger some bugs), but a URL is needed 
for an analysis.

I recently noticed that even Firefox 2 has a nasty bug in form styling: if 
you have e.g. <form ...><p><input ...><input ...></form> and you try to 
draw a border around the form, Firefox draws it as if the form extended to 
the bottom of the page. Ditto for setting a background. Adding the 
"redundant" </p> tag before </form> removes the problem.

-- 
Jukka "Yucca" Korpela, http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/

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