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Nurev wrote:

>   It's the Capitalist Elites who enjoy the fruits of Socialism
>   by owning the government. And it's the poor and working class
>   who enjoy the bitter leftovers of capitalism.

MJ wrote:

>Your blatant contradiction of yourself aside ...

>Capitalism requires a SEPARATION of the economy and the
>state -- hardly a reality within the US.


I agree, MJ, the economy is entangled with the state apparatus in Amerika --
but the people have for all intents and purposes been forcibly divorced from
their government. And while we do have a slightly mixed economy, the corporate
class receives the benefits of a socialist state apparatus, with "free
markets" for the poor, and for those who seek to remain independent from the
control structure. This in itself serves to repress and extinguish independent
thought in favor of programmed human behavior -- b ehavior based on
repetition, not insight or progress.

There don't seem to be any clear or easy answers, but obviously, it would be
an improvement if we had an economic system that focused primarily on human
creativity and innovation, instead of the mass hallucinations of the
marketplace and the unthinking, amoral pursuit of the direction of least
resistance. If we, as individuals, work to produce more than we consume (when
possible), and work to address actual human needs instead of the bizarre
hypercommodification of anything that registers with the public's neurons,
then to my mind it doesn't matter WHAT brand economy we have. With all
respect, though, as far as theoretical arguments go, neither socialism nor
capitalism are likely to save us any time soon. We need to build our own
economy.

Peace out & Merry Whatnot,
Charles Overbeck
ParaScope

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