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Very interesting discussion. It reminds me of the "investigator" who
discovered that the famous photo of John-John saluting as his father's
body - resting on the hose-drawn caisson - passed him. The
investigator discovered that John-John was actually saluting a
serviceman [I can't remember which branch]. My reaction then is the
same as it is today: TMI [TOO MUCH INFORMATION!]
Most people who are fairly well-read are fully aware of the pagan
history behind the various "holidays," however that doesn't mean we
need to turn into Scrooge at the mention of Jesus. I am also aware of
the root of the word "holiday," however y'all are missing my point:
Why do newscasters always refer to Ramadan and Hannakah as "Religious
observances," while Christian observances are always "holidays?" Isn't
that their bugaboo, "discrimination?"
Secondly, please don't blame Mike. He didn't write that note [Lord,
you would think it was an attack on the US Constitution or Old
Glory!]. He simply was included in sending everybody his SINCERE
wishes for a happy and blessed season.
Understand something: We come from the old school, when it was
considered GOOD to wish people well - and WE ARE NOT POLITICALLY
CORRECT. NOR DO WE WISH TO BE!
We are not attacking. Why are you?
P.S. I was including Hannakuh for the benefit of our Jewish friends -
and they generally celebrate throughout December - just as the
Christians and people of other faiths do. Mercy! Are we still in
America? Or is it now Amerika?
Hilary Thomas wrote:
>
> -Caveat Lector-
>
> A quick tour of churches in Britain will clarify any confusion on the
> subject. Most churches are built on top of pagan "hot spots."
>
> Hilary
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Edward Britton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Saturday, December 26, 1998 10:48 AM
> Subject: [CTRL] June: CHRISTMAS WISHES
>
> > -Caveat Lector-
> >
> >June:
> >
> >Excellent post! Very few people are aware of the pagan origins of modern
> >Christian observances such as Christ-Mass. (Everyone should check out the
> >origin of the use of Christmas trees!) Your words are, as usual,
> >brilliantly enlightening in a non-threatening manner. Someone should take
> >lessons from you :-)
> >
> >BTW, wasn't there a study some years ago pertaining to the calculation of
> >Christ's birth around the Roman census--purportedly between January and
> April?
> >
> >Edward ><>
> >>On Fri, 25 Dec 1998, MShrum wrote:
> >>>Remember, contrary to what the advertisers and the media would have
> >>>you believe, this is not a "holiday." It is a religious observance
> >>>[the term they always use for our Arab friends: Ramadan]. Christmas is
> >>>to honor the birth of the Christ child.
> >>
> >>Well, to begin with, the term 'holiday' comes from the contraction of the
> >>word 'holy day', so your objection to the word is meaningless.
> >>
> >>Secondly, there is NOTHING about December 25th that has ANYTHING to do
> >>with the birth of Jesus the Christ, except that the Roman Catholic church
> >>decided to put a 'Christian' veneer on pre-existing pagan celebrations of
> >>the season...
> >>
> >>Evidence points to either a spring or an early autumnal birthdate for
> >>Jesus the Christ (currently, spring is favored in scholarly circles,
> >>based on a comet which would have been visible in the spring of 5 BCE...
> >>but other evidence in the past has been used to argue for an early autumn
> >>birthdate)...
> >>
> >>Either way, the beginning of winter could NOT have been the actual birth
> >>date of Jesus the Christ...it was a date that fell in the middle of the
> >>ancient Roman Saturnalia...it was also the date the followers of Mithras
> >>claimed was the birthdate of Mithras...and it also roughly corresponded
> >>with the Yule festivities of the pagan northern European tribes..
> >>
> >>So the Church, after centuries of trying to BAN Christians from
> >>participating in the various early winter festivals of their particular
> >>geographical area, adopted an "if you can't beat 'em, join 'em" attitude,
> >>and 'allowed' the festivals to continue, as long as the participants put
> >>a 'Christian' interpretation to things...hence, holly was explained to
> >>represent Christ's crown of thorns, etc.
> >>
> >>But you would have been hard-pressed to find anything resembling our
> >>modern holiday...even more hard-pressed to find anything representing a
> >>RELIGIOUS OBSERVANCE, other than a possible midnight Mass (which gave the
> >>name to the holiday, e.g. "Christ's Mass")...most festivities more
> >>closely resembled modern-day Mardi Gras, with people dressing in costume,
> >>and a wild, licentious, lascivious time being enjoyed by all...
> >>
> >>EASTER is the main holiday of the Christian church, the observance which
> >>gives the religion it's whole meaning, and not Christmas...
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> HAPPY HANNAKAH AND A VERY BLESSED CHRISTMAS!
> >>
> >>You're 2 weeks late on Hannukah...
> >>
> >>
> >>June
> >>
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