-Caveat Lector-

I, too, am subject to researching my recollection for specificity within
the myth and legend of the settling of North America ... as much as I
wouldn't seek out K. Starr (the Indie Counselor, not the songstress) for
any reason, I can't help but admire the polysyllabic Snoopy dance he did
(without laughing at himself) for the J Committee.  Anyway, more myth &
legend on the Pilgrims:

>From http://www.athensnewspapers.com/1997/112697/1126.a3pilgrims.html

American detective work brings
alive Pilgrims' forgotten years

By William J. Kole
Associated Press

<Picture: jeremy bangs>Historian Jeremy Bangs sits in the 17th-century
house that will become the Leiden American Pilgrim Museum, which opens on
Thursday in the Netherlands.
AP Photo    LEIDEN, Netherlands - Pilgrims once trod Leiden's cobblestones,
back when they were the latest ragtag refugees in town. Now this city is
reviving memories of a pious people who eventually found Dutch tolerance
too much to bear.
   On Thanksgiving Day, the Leiden American Pilgrim Museum opens to the
public, born of one man's lifelong passion to illuminate the Pilgrims'
largely forgotten 11 years in exile in Holland.
   For American historian Jeremy Bangs, it's a chance to remind the world
anew of the hope and heartache the future colonists endured long before
they even boarded the Mayflower.
   "Anyone who really wants to understand American society needs to know
about the Pilgrims," said Bangs, a leading Pilgrim scholar and the former
chief curator at Plimoth Plantation in Plymouth, Mass.
   The 100 Pilgrims who settled in Leiden after a brief stay in Amsterdam
left an indelible mark on this medieval town, which welcomed them in 1609
with a declaration that it "refuses no honest people free entry."
   Capt. Myles Standish served in the Dutch army. In Leiden, William
Brewster published books forbidden in England. Their pastor, John Robinson,
participated in theological disputes that would later split the
Netherlands; he's buried in a nearby church.
   But the Pilgrims grew disenchanted with their lives here. Though they
had fled religious persecution in their native England, they tired on the
tolerance that lured them to the Netherlands. Many anguished over their
hosts' ambivalence about observing the Sabbath.
   The Pilgrims also left for reasons that still trouble expatriates today:
They fretted over the loss of their traditions as their children grew up
more Dutch than English.
   Slaving away as immigrants in low-paying menial jobs, they found
themselves haunted anew by their original dream of a place of their own in
which to worship and prosper.
   Though only a few dozen opted to leave on the Mayflower in 1620, more
followed over the next few years. Some never left - such as the wives and
children whose husbands and fathers went before them to the New World, only
to perish in that first bitter winter.
   But the ancient ties still bind. On Thursday, the people of Leiden -
including several hundred now thoroughly Dutch descendants of Pilgrims -
will gather in church in remembrance of their neighbors who changed the
world.
   The museum, funded with help from the Mayflower Society, the Pilgrim
Society and the New England Historic Genealogical Society, is in a typical
Pilgrim-style 16th century one-room house.
   The place is packed with Pilgrim-era tools, pottery and furniture,
including a cabinet containing tobacco pipes, coins, buttons and toys.
   "We'll take these items out and have conversations," said Bangs, 51, who
has authored 10 books about the Pilgrims. "People will learn in this
intimate way."
   The Pilgrims brought with them to Plymouth Colony many Dutch ways, such
as the civil registration of marriages. John Quincy Adams would later hail
their Mayflower Compact as the foundation for the U.S. Constitution.
   Bangs originally came to Leiden, the birthplace of Rembrandt 25 miles
southwest of Amsterdam, to study Dutch art and architecture. He ended up
running the city's Pilgrim archives, and when it closed a few years ago, he
decided to stay.
   His own home betrays his passion. Original engravings of Pilgrim life
clutter a coffee table; a Pilgrim-era ladderback chair occupies a corner of
his kitchen.
   "We really don't know much about what Pilgrim family life was like," he
said. "That's the goal of this house museum - to give some sense of how
they lived."

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: However, the Pilgrims did not come to America to escape English
persecution.
: They fled first England and then Holland because neither the English nor
the
: Dutch would permit the Pilgrims to persecute others.  They came to
America so
: they could force their religious practices on those around them.  They
were
: not alone in this.  It is not for nothing that creeps like Pat Robertson
: admire the religious leaders of the early colonies
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