-Caveat Lector- ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 13:38:47 -0800 (PST) From: Franklin Wayne Poley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Franklin Wayne Poley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Colby, the FLIR tape, and a new Waco documentary (fwd) *** [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send "Subscribe Future-Cities" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] See http://users.uniserve.com/~culturex *** ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 21:54:44 -0800 From: Jon Roland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Colby, the FLIR tape, and a new Waco documentary In response to a message I forwarded from Ian Goddard, in which he cited an article from _American Freedom_ magazine, Vol. 1, No. 7, October, 1996, consisting of a report by Gordon Novel of an interview with former CIA Director William Colby, and in which Goddard recalls Novel to have claimed to have received the FLIR footage that appeared in the Academy Award nominated documentary _Waco: the Rules of Engagement_ from Colby, who is also supposed to have said that President Clinton was "behind" the Oklahoma City bombing on April 19, 1995, I received an email message from Michael McNulty, a producer of the Waco documentary, asking me to call him to get some corrections on that initial report. I called him January 29, 1999. The following is extracted from my telephone conversation with McNulty: In late 1993 the Davidian defense team received a copy of the FLIR footage from the FBI through discovery, but they were unable to play it in their machines. McNulty says he got the tape several months later, about April, 1994, after the Davidians had been convicted and while they were awaiting sentencing. The defense team had been unable to play the tape because it was in a super VHS format that was unlabeled. McNulty says the lack of a label was at least unprofessional, and at worst an attempt at obfuscation. McNulty provided a lengthy analysis of the tape in June, 1994, and returned the tape, after making a dub of it with the permission of the defense team, onto a digital D2 format. The defense team sent McNulty's analysis to the U.S. prosecutor, although McNulty's analysis did not identify the flashes as automatic firearms fire. It was about 18 months after McNulty got the tape that former CIA Director William Colby contacted Gordon Novel, who said that Colby sent two men to show Novel a high-quality, probably 1st-generation copy, of the FLIR footage, who pointed out to Novel what to look for on the tape and where to find it. However, they did not leave a copy of the tape with Novel at that time. What they pointed out were the signatures of automatic gunfire by assaulting troops directed at the only exits of the buildings, which the Davidians would have had to use to escape the fire. At that point McNulty had the only copy of the tape, a 3rd-generation digital D2 copy, other than the one retained by the Davidian defense lawyer he had obtained it from, and he refused to release it to anyone. He had already become friends with Gordon Novel, who had begun working as an investigator for the firm of Ramsey Clark, who had become one of several law firms representing the Davidians in their civil case. Novel told McNulty what Colby's men had told him, and McNulty then took his tape and the information delivered from Colby through Novel and sought an expert in interpreting FLIR footage who was not associated with the government in a way that the expert would not have wanted to work with McNulty. He found one in Dr. Edward Allard, who appears in the documentary with his analysis. In the meantime, Novel got himself in trouble and was put in jail in Ohio, and was interviewed by Don Weideman for a series of articles. It was during these interviews that Novel revealed he had a copy, probably a 3rd- or 4th-generation copy, of the FLIR footage. McNulty's 3rd-generation copy is the FLIR footage that was used in the documentary. Another dub was made of the 2nd-generation copy the defense attorney had, and it was that copy which was later passed on to the firm of Caddell and Chapman, and from them to the firm of former Attorney General Ramsey Clark. Novel got his 3rd- or 4th-generation copy from Jim Brannen, one of the civil litigation attorneys. Impatient with the delay in getting the footage to the public through the documentary, Novel took his 3rd- or 4th-generation copy of the FLIR footage to CBS Sixty Minutes, who sought their own expert analyst in the firm Infraspections, and that analyst confirmed Allard's analysis of the flashes as automatic weapons fire. Later, CBS Sixty Minutes personnel went to members of Congress on the committee investigating the incident, and misrepresented the results of their expert's analysis to those congressmen, saying the analyst found no sign of gunfire. They did not provide a copy of the tape or the analysis of their expert to those congressmen, who obtained the short segments they viewed during the hearings from Paul Gray and James Quintiari, federal arson investigators on the government team. That incident, and others, will be coming out in a new documentary McNulty is producing called _Waco: A New Revelation_, due out in late February or early March, 1999. In 1998, attorney David Hardy, also allied with the civil litigation team, was able to obtain a 1st-generation copy of the FLIR footage on VHS, although with a 5-minute segment missing from the beginning, through a FOIA request, from the government, and it is that improved and additional footage that will be shown in the new documentary, which is more clear than that shown in the documentary _Waco: Rules of Engagement_. McNulty has asked Novel for the complete tapes of his conversations with Colby, but he has only provided short segments of some other telephone conversations which only seem to be discussing business deals between them. McNulty says the only information he has about what Colby may have told Novel is what Novel told him, and Novel won't provide the full footage of the tapes he says he has. McNulty recalls discussing the Oklahoma City bombing with Novel, but Novel never mentioned to McNulty any complicity on the part of the White House or president in that incident. However, McNulty did do a voice analysis of the tape segments Novel provided, and the voice is definitely that of William Colby. The information Novel claims Colby provided him about the FLIR footage checked out. Novel had a relationship with Colby, and Colby had a motive, namely the turf battle between the CIA and the FBI regarding overseas operations. McNulty's assessment of Novel's credibility is that one should never ignore anything Novel says. On the other hand, what he says should be taken carefully. Novel has a history as a high-level insider. He is an expert in technical espionage and counter-espionage, and claims to be the technician who was responsible for the missing 18 minutes in the Nixon tape. On the other hand, he likes to tell a story, and may put a spin on what he knows. His checkered past makes him the perfect person whom a whistleblower might pick to disclose something to in order get the information out while providing plausible deniability. McNulty says Novel deserves a great deal of credit for working himself almost to death to help the Davidians, and he is certainly the conduit through which they got the information from Colby about what to look for in the FLIR footage. But Novel didn't obtain the tape itself from Colby. More about Gordon Novel can be found on Lexis-Nexis, and on the WWW, at such sites as http://www.io.com/~hambone/web/novel.html The new documentary, _Waco: A New Revelation_, will be revealing new non-FLIR video evidence that the government forces fired on the Davidians during the final assault on April 19, 1993. It will also present evidence identifying the organizations providing the personnel who attacked the Davidian complex from the rear, which are seen in the FLIR footage, which were the FBI Hostage Rescue Team and Delta Force. It provides evidence that explains how the fire started, and how the investigation following the fire was compromised, including interviews with some Texas Rangers who were part of that investigation. It includes interviews with some of the imprisoned Davidians, and follows the chain of command of the orders for the final assault all the way to the White House. It explores some of the unintended consequences of Waco, has an interview with Randy Weaver, the target of the Ruby Ridge assault, and reveals that Lon Horiuchi, who the Boundary County, Idaho, prosecutor attempted to prosecute for shooting Randy's wife Vicki, was also present at Waco in a position from which fire came toward the Davidians. The new documentary, _Waco: A New Revelation_, will probably be first released on video, and perhaps will also be released theatrically. The price for the video has not yet been decided. For more information on it, write: C.O.P.S. Productions 1001-A East Harmony Road #353 Fort Collins, Colorado 80525 =================================================================== Constitution Society, 1731 Howe Av #370, Sacramento, CA 95825 916/568-1022, 916/450-7941VM Date: 01/30/99 Time: 21:54:44 http://www.constitution.org/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] =================================================================== * * * * * * * * * * * * * * From the Listowner * * * * * * * * * * * * . To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message, type: unsubscribe justice END DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER ========== CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substance—not soapboxing! 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