-Caveat Lector- ----- from: prioryofsion digest 448 ---- With permission from author Om k ----- Message: 10 Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 12:18:30 -0500 From: Stephen Dafoe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: paging steven dafoe on larmenius charter xxxx wrote: "the book by alan butler and pos-list-member steven dafoe, 'the warriors and the bankers' gets into the larmenius document. they certainly make room for its being a forgery but i believe they tend to think it's genuine." Hi xxxxx. Sorry if you got the above impression from our book. It was not our intention to give the idea that we believe the documents authenticity. In fact at the end of the chapter, "Passing the Torch" we have made the following comment: "The whole topic is so serfused in speculation that we leave the final answer of this question to the integrity and consideration of you, our reader." Now while this may be interpreted by some as fence sitting, it was not our intentions to do so, but the size of the book did not permit us to go into sufficient detail to present a case one way or another for the documents authenticity. Additionally, that particular chapter of the book looked at some of the other theories or arguments of Templar survival, such as the D' Aumont theory put forth by the Baron Karl Von Hundt in the mid 1700's. I will be writing an article on this subject for the American magazine, "Dagobert's Revenge" when I get back from England. As to the Larmenius Charter, both Alan and I doubt the authenticity of the "Carta Transmissionis" (Charter of Transmission) but have not seen enough proof to say hands down that the matter is a fraud. Certainly there is great cause for raising one's eyebrows on several basic points. 1/ As one poster pointed out, Grand Masters were elected by a council of 12 brethren, Four knights and eight sergeants if memory serves me well. However, in the dungeons of a French prison it is highly unlikely to be able to convene an electoral process and it is possible that de Molay may have passed the torch. However based on our own theory of Templar survival we do not believe this to have been the case. 2/ The new order officially surfaced at the end of the French Revolution in 1804 and who should be at the helm, but Bernard Raymond Fabre-Palaprat. This is the Master who would later be ousted for his Johannite beliefs. Not only was it Fabre-Palaprat who found the Charter (or at least was given the charter) but it was Palaprat who happened to discover the Johannite "Leviticon" in a Paris bookstall. Mere coincidence or convenience? More likely the latter than the former. One thing we do know for certain is that orders like the SMOTJ do believe in its authenticity. On the basis that the intention of the chapter was not to prove or disprove the document, but rather to show some of the theories of Templar survival, we as the chapter close suggests, left the final verdict to the reader. What might be of interest is that whether the Larmenius Charter is a fraud or a fact, those that believe in its authenticity, namely the SMOTJ have outlived the original order already by a full year. The Templars existing from 1118/19 until 1312 for a total of 194 years. The SMOTJ from 1804 to 1999 for a total of 195 years. Of course if we consider the theory that the Freemasons are a continuation, albeit in another form of the Templars then you have a lineage from 1717 to 1999 for a total of 282 years. So xxxxx I hope this gives you a better idea of Alan and my thoughts on the Larmenius Charter..Alan and I look forward to meeting with many list members this weekend at the Sauniere Society Symposium in Gullane. Stephen Dafoe ----- Aloha, He'Ping, Om, Shalom, Salaam. Em Hotep, Peace Be, Omnia Bona Bonis, All My Relations. Adieu, Adios, Aloha. Amen. Roads End Kris DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER ========== CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substance—not soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. ======================================================================== Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ ======================================================================== To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
