-Caveat Lector- You ask us to predict a hypothetical future for 10 years to come and justify it with facts? You don't ask for much, do you?
But for one thing, maybe International Law and sovereignity of nations would still be respected. Now, we can only rely on the force of arms and weapons of mass destructions to protect the people and nations on this planet from brutal business warriors and nutcases in charge of armies. As for the facts to support this conclusion, the US handling of North Korea vs US handling of Iraq are an excellent example. One is getting silk gloved treatment, while the other is going to be raped for all it's worth. I bet no WMDs will be found in Iraq, lest it says Made in USA or Israel, painted over with crosses and "Irag" stamped in place. As for the future we will experience, it is one of proliferation of weapons of mass destruction and unlimited warfare for the reasons of business and making money, with total disregard for any treaties and laws. Anarchy, some might call it. But, it is explicitly clear that US and Bush & co are keen on pissing on any and all treaties they don't like, and will keep on doing so if and when they can make fast profits for small numbers of people by doing so. On Tue, 25 Mar 2003, Zuukie wrote: > -Caveat Lector- > > A serious question. The Iraqi leadership has brutalized its people for > many years. Now it appeared to be on the verge of brutalizing the > western world in connection with other powerful leaders outside of the > Arab world. If the US had not taken the action did, what do you think > the world and US situation would look like ten years from now and please > justify your answer with some factual information. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Jei > Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 8:37 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [CTRL] "Why do you do this to us?" > > -Caveat Lector- > > Counting Iraq's dead civilians > By Jackson Thoreau > > Deep in the pit of Hell, Fatima Abdullah screams. Few hear her. > Especially not the pilots in the U.S. and British jets that have been > raining 2,000-lb. bombs, which obliterate everything within a football > field upon impact, on Baghdad since Thursday. Especially not the U.S. > generals who refuse to acknowledge the lives of kids like Fatehah > Abdullah, Fatima Abdullah’s eight-year-old son. > > Fatehah is dead, another victim in Bush’s and Cheney’s Blood for Oil, > Inc. war. And Bush, Cheney and the generals that push this massacre > could care less. Welcome to the "New" World Order. > > U.S. Commander Tommy Franks says they will not tabulate body counts, > especially of Iraqis, in this war that is as illegitimate as Bush’s > claim to the White House. The bulk of the U.S. media will not report on > civilian casualties, unless they are so large that even our > corporate-and-Republican-controlled media cannot ignore them. > > But some of us will. I will. Fatehah Abdullah may just be eight years > old. He may be Arab. But he counts for something in my book. > > He’s number 303. And that number of Iraqi civilians killed by our bombs > continues to rise. > > Since the outbreak of the latest phase of the war for Iraqi oil and > continued U.S. domination of the planet Wednesday, I have not slept > much. I have paid little attention to the talking heads on CNN, who like > to call themselves the "most trusted name in news." CNN commentators > lied once again about progressive film maker Michael Moore being booed > off the Oscar stage Sunday. As the British news agency Reuters reported, > many in the Hollywood crowd gave Moore a standing ovation as he issued > his anti-Bush, anti-war remarks. Moore himself had this to say to > reporters: "Don't report that there was a split decision in the hall > because five loud people booed." Maybe CNN is the "most trusted" name in > the U.S. media to paint pictures the way the Bush administration wants > them painted. > > I have concentrated on reading international media reports such as from > London’s Guardian. I have read the reports from activists like Voices in > the Wilderness’ Iraq Peace Team who put their lives on the line to try > to protect Iraqis. I have scanned the reports from alternative media > like the United Kingdom’s Independent Media Centre. > > And I’m here to tell you what Gen. Franks and CNN and Donahue-less MSNBC > and others will not: More than 300 Iraqi civilians – many of them > children, as almost half of Baghdad’s population is under age 14 - have > been killed by the U.S.-led massive aerial bombing campaign, as of early > Tuesday. Many more will probably soon die in hospitals. > > At Al Kindi Hospital in Baghdad, Fatima Abdullah screamed, "Why do you > do this to us?" to April Hurley, a physician and member of the Iraq > Peace Team. Not only is one of her sons dead, but her four-year-old boy > and two daughters were wounded by a missile that hit her uncle's home > outside Baghdad, near a bridge targeted by U.S. bombers. > > Nada Adnan, a 13-year-old student at a high school for girls, is among > those with deep wounds who must suffer in anguish without basic > medicines that could at least give her some temporary relief from the > pain. Cheney’s oil company, Dallas-based Halliburton, could make > millions supplying Iraq with oil equipment after the 1991 Gulf War. But > relief workers could not ship basic medicines to Iraq because that > violated the economic sanctions imposed by the UN on Hussein’s regime. > To repeat: Cheney’s company can make millions in oil deals, but Iraqi > kids like Nada cannot get basic medicines. > > Want to talk precision bombing? Talk to Nahla Harbi, a passenger driving > away from Baghdad with her two-year-old when a military school for boys > was struck, causing her car to roll. She escaped with fractures in both > legs. Her toddler suffered head injuries. > > Talk to the families of the five Syrians who died when a U.S. missile > struck a Syrian passenger bus near the Iraqi border. Ten other > passengers, most of whom were laborers working in Iraqi oil fields, were > injured. One of the more ludicrous aspects of this war is how U.S. > officials are crying foul when Iraq pulls a few tricks like pretend > surrenders and putting POWs on television. "Iraq is violating the Geneva > Convention," U.S. officials say. These are the same officials who ignore > international laws such as the UN charter that states one country cannot > invade another without provocation or the blessing of the UN Security > Council. These are the same officials who ignore international treaties > like those governing nuclear weapons and global warming. > > So it’s unfair for Iraq to put prisoners on television or use civilians > as soldiers or women and kids as shields? Tell me, what’s fair about one > side spending $400 billion annually on nuclear weapons, high-tech > weapons, etc. and the other spending some $1.4 billion on scud missiles > and other low-tech weapons after years of economic sanctions that has > wracked its strength? That’s like the NFL Super Bowl champion playing a > junior high team that’s been decimated with the flu and crying foul when > the weaker team pulls a few trick plays. > > I’m not condoning Iraq’s regime or its tactics. I’m just trying to > explain and understand them. I’m just trying to explain that there are > reasons why many people throughout the world can’t stand narrow-minded > Americans who can ’t, or won’t, recognize when their leaders are leading > them down a path to Hell. I hate seeing anyone killed. That’s why I > walked more than 5,000 miles in my youth across the U.S. and Europe to > Russia during the depths of the Cold War. > > It’s a sad situation all around that Bush’s stupidity and selfishness > have led us into, isn’t it? Bush’s stupidity with this > go-it-alone-except-for-countries’-leaders-who-we-can-bribe Iraqi > invasion will CAUSE more days like Sept. 11, 2001, not prevent them. > More Arabs will join bin Laden and other terrorist groups and attack > Americans. Wealthy Americans like Bush and Cheney will fly off to their > private islands or stay in their bunkers until the smoke clears, while > the rest of us deal with their lunacy for the rest of our lives. > > Meanwhile, courageous, concerned protesters have to deal with U.S. radio > disc jockeys who urge listeners to run over peaceful protesters with > their vehicles. Americans who question this mad war are called traitors > and told to leave the country and threatened with bodily harm. Is this > the kind of America our forefathers fought and died for, where closet > Nazis tell thinking Americans to goose-step along with them or leave the > place where they were born? > > I don’t think so. If there was a real threat to our country, as Nazi > Germany was back in the 1930s, I’d join the fight myself. But Iraq is > not Nazi Germany – it’s not even Nazi Austria. There is no good reason > for invading Iraq, not oil, not personal revenge, not justifying a $400 > billion military budget, not chemical and biological weapons that can be > bought by most anyone on the black market, not world domination. > Americans fought the British empire in the 18th century, and now the > U.S. is the imperialistic British empire. And unless wiser U.S. leaders > take control and really work with the rest of the world on our serious > problems, the U.S. will go the way of the British empire. > > Hussein can be dealt with by a UN-appointed tribunal that indicts and > tries him on crimes. That way, the whole world through the UN gets > involved in stopping whatever threat Hussein poses. And the UN needs to > exert its influence over Bush-Cheney and not bow down to them. Russia > has the right idea in wanting to get the Security Council back together > to confront the U.S. invasion of Iraq. I still believe a UN that is not > beholden to any so-called superpower – which the current UN admittedly > is - can work if enough people support it. It’s our world’s main chance > for survival. > > Enough dreaming. I’m back to reality – finding another report of a > civilian’ s death in Baghdad. Number 304. > > It’s not a job I like. But someone has to do it. My wife and I have two > young children ourselves to raise, so I can’t stand in harm’s way like > members of the Iraq Peace Team. But I can help make sure kids like > Fatehah Abdullah do not die in vain. I can help make them count, even > when the U.S. government and media won’t. > > Jackson Thoreau is co-author of We Will Not Get Over It: Restoring a > Legitimate White House. The updated, 120,000-word electronic book can be > downloaded on his Internet site at > http://www.geocities.com/jacksonthor/ebook.html. 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