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MJ-
I respectfully disagree with your idea that the nation was founded upon
LIBERTY. first disagreement: Liberty for whom? White males? Blacks?
Women? Native Americans?
Socialism means what to you? We can spend an eternity parsing words...'
I would only point out that these abstractions (capitalism, socialism,
etc) are debatable terms..
On Fri, 18 Dec 1998, M. A. Johnson wrote:
> -Caveat Lector-
>
> William Hugh Tunstall wrote (with snippage):
>
> The Family Leave Act was an excellent idea.
> Also, the Clinton administration attempt to get a national health
> insurance program going.
> MJ:
> How is socialism compatible with a Nation founded upon LIBERTY,
> FREEDOM and an individual's RIGHT to his OWN life? Can you cite
> any Constitutional authority for this?
>
> It is unfortunate that so many are SCARED of these ideals.
>
>
> William Hugh Tunstall wrote (with snippage):
> But perhaps President Clinton's greatest contribution during
> the past eight years has been his willingness to insure that
> some of the more draconian social measures of the Republican
> party were not signed into law.
> MJ:
> Can you elaborate? I thought the Duopoly were pretty consistent
> with one another -- you have the 'well to the left Ds AND the just
> to the 'right' of them Rs (yet still 'well to the left').
>
> Regard$,
> --MJ
>
> Our Unconstitutional Congress
> by Walter E. Williams
>
> Stephen Moore, director of fiscal studies at the Washington-based
> Cato Institute, spoke at Hillsdale College. His comments were
> published in Imprimus. Reading through his remarks, one can
> safely conclude that today's Washington politicians, compared
> to those of yesterday, are constitutional cowards and rogues.
>
> In 1794, James Madison, disapproving a $15,000 appropriation for
> French refugees said, "I cannot undertake to lay my finger on
> that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress
> of expending, on the objects of benevolence, the money of their
> constituents." That Congress should heed the Constitution was
> forcefully restated two years later by Virginia's Congressman
> William Giles when he condemned a disaster relief measure
> saying it was neither the purpose nor the right of Congress
> to "attend to what generosity and humanity require, but to what
> the Constitution and their duty require."
>
> This kind of constitutional respect was also found in the White
> House. In 1854, President Franklin Pierce vetoed a bill to help
> the mentally ill, saying, "I cannot find any authority in the
> Constitution for public charity. . . . [and to approve such
> spending] would be contrary to the letter and the spirit of the
> Constitution and subversive to the whole theory upon which the
> Union of these States is founded." President Grover Cleveland
> vetoed hundreds of congressional spending bills because, as he
> often wrote, "I can find no warrant for such an appropriation
> in the Constitution."
>
> The Constitution enumerates what Congress can do: establish Post
> Offices, raise and support an army and navy, declare war and
> conduct a few other activities related mostly to national defense.
> To my knowledge, the Constitution has not been amended to
> authorize Congress to spend money for farm subsidies, bailouts,
> Social Security, welfare, not to mention midnight basketball
> and tennis court and swimming pool construction.
>
> Congress has found ingenious ways to subvert constitutional
> limitations; one of them is the "interstate commerce clause."
> In a recent case before the U.S. Supreme Court, Justice Scalia
> asked the Justice Department's Solicitor General to name a
> single activity or program that our modern-day Congress might
> undertake that would fall outside the bounds of the Constitution.
> The stunned Clinton appointee could not think of any. The Framers
> would cringe at that response.
>
> The bottom line conclusion is that we have a corrupt Congress
> and White House aided and abetted by a derelict Supreme Court.
> While they do their mischief, we're being led down the road to
> serfdom. But what can we do about it? There are drastic measures
> suggested by people like Thomas Jefferson, who said, "Rebellion
> to tyrants is obedience to God." Jefferson added that, "The tree
> of Liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood
> of patriots and tyrants."
>
> However, before we even think about drastic measures, we have
> to own up to the fact that politicians are a relatively small
> part of the problem. After all what would we do, as voters, to
> a congressman, like William Giles of yesteryear, who respected
> the Constitution and condemned fire relief payments because
> they exceeded congressional authority? What would we do to a
> President who took Franklin Pierce's position that there's no
> constitutional authority for public charity? We'd run them out
> of town on a rail. Our kind of Congressman or President is the
> person who "cares" and has the deepest contempt for constitution
> limitations.
>
> None of this means that we're going down the tubes as a great
> nation right away. After all when the Titanic struck that
> iceberg, everything was okay . . . for a while.
>
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