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Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 13:50:39 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject: [U-S-A] [LOGES-DE-CORBEAUX] [bcrants] Re: For all who are not in
favour of redefining marriage (fwd)
How would U-S-A define marriage in law, if given a new start on the
problem like Canada?
POC
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Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 13:33:21 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject: [LOGES-DE-CORBEAUX] [bcrants] Re: For all who are not in favour of
redefining marriage (fwd)
Dear JC:
Since you are going to entrench religious definitions of marriage in your
new legislation, what about the various religions which have practiced the
many kinds of group marriage? Why shouldn't homosexual group marriage also
be legal? Also incestuous marriages are practiced in some cultures and
also because of ideological-religious reasons. Royalty of Ancient Egypt
are one such example, but Elsie Wayne can tell you about the "incest
rights" case which made headlines in the Maritimes a decade ago. Zandu
Goldbar does not think his harem should be discriminated against or he may
have to emigrate to Saudi Arabia with his many wives and concubines
because of religious discrimination and violation of his human rights.
What would Canada do then?
POC
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Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 04:53:46 -0000
From: kathleen_dupuis2001 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: [bcrants] Re: For all who are not in favour of redefining marriage
This is interesting but I am asking if there has been any culture
in all of history that allowed legal marriages between same sexes? I
know that homosexuality has existed probably as long as humans were
on this planet. I have not heard of any society or culture that had
marriage ceremomies for same sex couples. As far as I know it has
always been male and female.
Kathy
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Sharlene <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >
> >And so long before there was Christianity or Islam or any other
> >religions, there was marriage between male and female.
>
> History of Homosexuality
> Formal historical data provided by ancient records dealing with
male
> homosexuality in China can be dated back to the Shang Dynasty (c.
16th
> century - 11th century BC), according to Li Yinhe in her book
History of
> Chinese Homosexuality.
>
> The term "Luan Feng" was used to describe homosexuality in
the "Shang
> Dynasty Records". Interestingly, there are no record of lesbianism
in
> Chinese history.
>
> Historical traces of male homosexuality persist through dynasty to
dynasty
> from ancient times and never disappear. It was in full swing during
the
> Spring and Autumn and the Warring Periods, at which time Mi Zixia,
favorite
> of the Monarch Wei, and Long Yang, favored by Monarch Wei, were the
two
> best-known figures.
>
> The greatest influences and achievements back then, however,
belonged to
> the famous poet Qu Yuan. It is said that his love for the monarch
Chu can
> be felt in most of his works, for instance his "Lisao" and "Longing
for
> Beauty".
>
> Prevailing among emperors
>
> Li claimed that during the powerful Han Dynasty (206 BC - 220 AD)
the
> homosexual activities of emperors and ministers were frequently
preserved
> in the historical records. According to the "Historical Record"
and "Han
> Dynasty Records", almost all emperors of the Western Han Dynasty
had lovers
> of their same sex.
>
> There was a much-told story about Emperor Ai, whose name was Liu
Xin, and
> who reigned from 6 BC to 2 BC. Unwilling to awaken his male lover
Dong
> Xian, who had fallen asleep on his robes, Liu cut off his sleeves
instead.
>
> After the Han Dynasty, the general attitude was tolerant, so long
as
> homosexuals fulfilled their filial duties by getting married and
continuing
> the family line.
>
> Remarkably, a calm and dispassionate attitude to the homosexual
phenomenon
> was always prevalent in ancient China. There was neither eulogy,
nor
> criticism. It seemed to do no harm in maintaining traditional
family ethics.
>
> Male prostitution
>
> The years 1573-1620 marked the most flourishing period of the Ming
Dynasty
> (1368 - 1644). With great developments in industry and trade,
luxurious
> life-styles also proliferated, according to Li's book.
>
> Prostitution was a common practice at that time, due to the moral
concept
> which advocated the acceptance of natural sexual needs, an approach
> promoted by the neo-Confucian philosopher Wang Yangming.
>
> Male prostitutes (gigolos) were widely available to meet their
clients'
> specific requirements.
>
> Confucianism was canonized during the Qing Dynasty (1644-1911),
with
> emphasis put on strict obedience to the social order. That is to
say, both
> wife and husband should always remember their correct relationship,
but
> homosexuals went directly against such rules.
>
> Restrictive decree
>
> Then, in 1740, the first anti-homosexual decree in Chinese history
was
> promulgated, defining voluntarily homosexual intercourse between
adults as
> illegal. Though there were no records on the effectiveness of this
decree,
> it was the first time homosexuality had been subject to legal
proscription
> in China.
>
> During the cultural revolution (1966 - 76), homosexuals faced their
worst
> period of persecution in Chinese history. The government considered
> homosexuality to be a social disgrace or a form of mental illness.
>
> The police regularly rounded up gays and lesbians. Since there was
no law
> against homosexuality, gays and lesbians were charged with
hooliganism or
> disturbing public order. Since that time homosexuality has remained
in closet.
>
> Acceptance and tolerance
>
> With the replacement of the 1989 edict - which defined
homosexuality as a
> "psychiatric disorder of sexuality" - by the new "Chinese
Classification
> and Diagnostic Criteria of Mental Disorders", released this March
by the
> Chinese Psychiatric Association, China took a step closer to WHO
policies,
> with homosexuals also benefiting from a general loosening of social
> restrictions.
>
> Shanghai is one of the major cities where gays and lesbians are
able to
> live a more open lifestyle, with some musicians and artists being
openly
> gay. Bars are popular places for gays to meet, with weekends as the
best time.
>
> (<http://chinadaily.chinadaily.com.cn/star/index.html>Shanghai Star
October
> 4, 2002)
>
>
>
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