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--- Begin Message --- -Caveat Lector- "Arthur M. Schlesinger, Jr.'s The Vital Center, Reinhold 
Niebuhr's essays[some published by Fabian Society -B], and
the Truman administration's hawkish National Security Council
report, nsc?68, drafted in 1950 under the supervision 
of Paul Nitze. The second was the left?wing revisionism of the 1960s,
which he identifies chiefly with historian William Appleman Williams 
and disciples like Richard Barnet. The third was the neoliberal 
synthesis by political scientists Stanley Hoffmann and Zbigniew 
Brzezinski, which stressed world order and interdependence over 
containment and polarization. Neoconservatism arose as a reaction to 
both left?wing revisionism and neoliberalism and as a reaffirmation of 
Cold War liberalism. The neoconservatives, writes Ehrman, stood for 
"continued adherence to the vital center idea of an activist 
anticommunist foreign policy." They were Cold War liberals who
searched for a Truman in the 1970s and found Reagan.
"

Niebuhr offered to recommend my father for a Rhodes scholarship just after WWII
when Niebuhr taught at U Georgia for a year or less. That probably means Niebuhr,
listed here as a predecessor to neolib, was a Rhodes scholar and CFR. The essays
of Niebuhr mentioned were sometimes published in the British Fabian Society
journal, and Niebuhr was president of the NYC chapter of LID, League for
Industrial Democracy, a Fabian spawn. Niebuhr supported ADA, too,
Americans for Democratic Action. That's all consistent with his position we could
call Trotskyite today, nothing inconsistent to bother Sean who notices only one
crossover in one direction, from neolib to neocon, not constant mingling in a small flat
round circle circus tabletop he almost calls the earth--"CFR" and "neolib-neocon[in
context of quote here]".  Nixon actually belonged to some org the title of which sounded
like LID or ADA, which was surprising at the time, and where we might begin to see a
small round circus table, an early example of neolib and neocon crossover, only in the
other direction, but pointing out the bridge across the small neolib/neocon and CFR circle
makes it a peace symbol, surely a good manipulation handle, something for everybody.
Both sides sound good, but you have to look at implementations not pontificators to
recognize it's the same entities behind both cheerleader squads. At least we see in this
quote neolib and neocon in the same circle to help Sean.

If CFR media exec and journalist Bob Zelnick said,"The news is what we say it is",
and CFR insider historian Carroll Quigley describes the political rhetoric in
British Parliament as scripted stageplay, and the writing and teaching of history as
a monopoly, perhaps circle means circus, Sean?

Richard Barnet would be Richard Barnet of IPS, Institute for Policy Studies,
correct? William Colby former CIA director was active there for a while. Those
two matrixes in juxtaposition are worth remarking on. If Zelnick's Mighty
Wurlitzer remak and Quigley's Parliament stageplay characterization and
Nixon's crossover in the other direction don't blow Sean's neat flat circle
circus map of the entire world, maybe Colby's crossing the neolib to neocon
bridge in the opposite direction like Nixon in that org will show us "Rockefeller
liberals", circus maximus. Then look at implementations, since they all sound
good to somebody when they're pontificating and blowing smoke. Some of
their witch-hunts are liberal sounding and others conservative sounding, but
in the implementation look for the same companies and a false hope and
hypocrisy and genocide and profit. For example Matthew McDaniel's
http://www.akha.org  Harvard MBA neolib hype team assisted Mechai
Mr. Condom General of Pine Tree Wooden Soldiers and that's the same
genocide as neocon witch-hunts fake drugwar and their fake drugwar and
fake land reclamation relocation program is the same as neocon anticommunist
relocation, neolib same con--
http://www.noplanetb.org/cgi-bin/htsearch.cgi?words=condoms+pine+opium+relocation
It fooled skin-deep liberal Harriet Beecher Stowe in the instance of the Scottish
Clearances genocide, fooled her in think-tanking so she overlooked the real facts
of implementation, and Thai relocation manor lord Mr. Condom Mechai's mother is
Scottish. Why would he need a visiting team of Harvard MBA propagandists if
neolib was not a neocon? Neo Con, new con, new Scottish Clearance, Another
Vietnam misguided relocation under different excuse. In that Thai highlands
situation we can find more than one neolib Neo Con for Sean.

-Bob

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review by John Judis of The Rise of Neoconservatism : Intellectuals and 
Foreign Affairs 1945-1994. John Ehrman. 1995
from Foreign Affairs, July/Aug 1995

excerpt:

George Washington University historian John Ehrman has recounted how 
these intellectuals' views on foreign policy developed and, once they 
were ascendant, changed. His book is well written, and, while some of 
his choices of people are eccentric, many of his comments about 
particular neoconservatives are insightful. Ehrman's overall history, 
however, is skewed.

Ehrman describes neoconservatism as the fourth phase in the development 
of liberal foreign policy. The first was Cold War liberalism, which he 
identifies with Arthur M. Schlesinger, Jr.'s The Vital Center, Reinhold 
Niebuhr's essays, and the Truman administration's hawkish National 
Security Council report, nsc?68, drafted in 1950 under the supervision 
of Paul Nitze. The second was the left?wing revisionism of the 1960s, 
which he identifies chiefly with historian William Appleman Williams 
and disciples like Richard Barnet. The third was the neoliberal 
synthesis by political scientists Stanley Hoffmann and Zbigniew 
Brzezinski, which stressed world order and interdependence over 
containment and polarization. Neoconservatism arose as a reaction to 
both left?wing revisionism and neoliberalism and as a reaffirmation of 
Cold War liberalism. The neoconservatives, writes Ehrman, stood for 
"continued adherence to the vital center idea of an activist 
anticommunist foreign policy." They were Cold War liberals who searched 
for a Truman in the 1970s and found Reagan.

Ehrman's history recalls that of Commentary editor Norman Podhoretz in 
his 1980 book, The Present Danger. But Podhoretz and other 
neoconservatives who took this view had an ulterior motive. Just as 
conservative economists of the time were trying to portray the 
Kemp?Roth tax cuts as a reprise of the Kennedy administration's tax 
cuts, Podhoretz and the neoconservatives were trying to attract 
discontented Democrats to the Republican side by portraying their own 
doctrine as the true heir of Truman liberalism. Ehrman takes these 
arguments at face value. This version of neoconservative history 
mistakes a part, and a small part at that, for a more complex whole.

http://www.foreignaffairs.org/19950701fareviewessay5058/john-b-judis/
trotskyism-to-anachronism-the-neoconservative-revolution.html



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