Re: [CTRL] Screener's wife caught with gun at airport

[Jim Rarey]

-Caveat Lector-   ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Rarey To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 1:09 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Screener's wife caught with gun at airport -Caveat Lector- Mike,   If I understand you correctly then, intent is to do something, not intent to break the law.   Then let's apply that to the instant case. Did the women intend to carry the gun into the airport. If so she is guilty. The only defense would be she didn't realize the gun was still in her purse and she didn't intend to bring it into the airport.   How do you prove or disprove that intent?   JR   ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike S (ctrl) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 12:46 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Screener's wife caught with gun at airport -Caveat Lector- Well, that's best approached with an analogy.....   ex:) I drive home drunk killing a pedestrian on the way.   Actus Reus:  I drove drunk  (the act)   Mens Rea: I intended to drive of my own volition (the intent)   I didn't HAVE to form then intent to run the person down in my car. The criminal intent is in the "commission" and not the outcome.     That's precisely why ignorance of the law is no excuse. I commited the act, with intent to commit it. Knowing whether or not it was ilegal to do so is irrelevent.   Mike Smith     ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Rarey To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 29, 2003 9:42 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Screener's wife caught with gun at airport -Caveat Lector- Yes, speeding was a poor comparison.  What about involuntary manslaughter? Where is the intent there?   JR   ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike S (ctrl) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 29, 2003 11:24 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Screener's wife caught with gun at airport -Caveat Lector-   It is enshrined in law that for something to be criminal, two factors must be present. 1) Actus Reus (the criminal act)  In this case the gun on her person in an airport. 2) Mens Rea (the criminal intent)  Without BOTH of those prerequisites, no crime has occured. One will not suffice without the other.   This ONLY applies to "criminal" law.... your comparison of speeding is a poor comparison.   I don't see how she "did not" intend to take the gun with her however, and while not trying to be her Jury, I'd think her guilty.   Ctrl.... aka Michael Smith  "Since when do they have to prove intent? That only applies in differentiating between degrees of murder and/or manslaughter. Do they have to prove someone intended to break the speed limit laws.? This is more than just a double standard. It is criminal malfeasance on the part of the Deputy Chief D.A. - JR " www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER ========== CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please! 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