Re: [CTRL] Kris Millegan's Recent False Charges in CTRL

[Sean McBride]

-Caveat Lector- I have stated quite clearly that two forged emails were used in a campaign against myself, EIR and the CIA-Drugs group. I never said that anyone else said that. I quite clearly stated that you, Eastman and webfairy were involved.  When you make the charge, without a shred of evidence, that I was involved in a conspiratorial and secretly coordinated campaign against you and cia-drugs with two forged emails, you are making a FALSE charge.  You are either deluded or lying.  And you are seriously damaging your credibility among those who know the truth.   Mark Urban has reported some peculiar problems with Brian's snail mail.  Have you ever considered the possibility that the bad guys were interfering with Brian's snail mail AND email, and that might be the reason that much of his email didn't reach its intended targets?   There are many folks who are still not convinced that Brian's death was accidental.  He was taking many more risks in his public statements than anyone else on cia-drugs.   You still haven't explained how the messages you assume were forged contain any material that didn't express Brian's real views.  There would have been no possible benefit to anyone in forging such messages.   It's really a shame you've dug yourself into such a deep hole on this issue.  You owe the people you have falsely accused an apology, although you are no more likely to admit your error than Bush or Blair are to admit theirs in Iraq.   There's a basic rule of thumb in conspiracy research and life in general: never make a serious charge, especially one that is damaging to other people, without having the solid goods to back it up.  Not only is doing so unfair and unjust, but you will then have to live with a set of righteously aroused adversaries that you don't really need.   With regard to S&B: the basic conflicts between the Bush I circle and the neocons are an open book for anyone who takes the trouble to read it.  Bush I is no doubt seriously distressed by the mess his son has made for himself by following the bad advice of the neocons.  If Bush I thought that invading and occupying Iraq was a good idea, he would have done so during the Gulf War over a decade ago.  He explained clearly why he chose not to do so in his memoirs, co-written with Brent Scowcroft.  The key quote is all over the net.  You can look it up in Google if you don't know it already.   ----- Original Message ----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 29, 2003 5:00 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Kris Millegan's Recent False Charges in CTRL -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 9/29/03 1:30:31 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Millegan,   You are trying to leave the impression that Mark Urban and Jim Rarey accused me of posting forgeries under the name of Brian Quig to cia-drugs.  The exact opposite is the truth.  Since you know this is the case, one can only conclude that you are a dishonest person.  McFraud, No, I said that Mark Urban nor Jim Rarey didn't receive the message that was supposedly cc'd to them as presented in a message purporting to be from Brian. I have stated quite clearly that two forged emails were used in a campaign against myself, EIR and the CIA-Drugs group. I never said that anyone else said that. I quite clearly stated that you, Eastman and webfairy were involved.  So from your imagined "impression" you now call me a dishonest person. In what way? What am I trying to do  dishonestly? Please be specific. What elements of the supposed "forged" messages are inconsistent with Brian's well-known views?  Obviously what upsets you is that Brian believed that you were in cahoots with the bad guys.  You're grasping at straws in trying to make Brian's negative evaluations of you go away. Your rhetoric belies youself. Why do you continually put words into people's mouth? Brian's words about me were posted on the list. What upsets me is to see you use Brian to advance your personal agenda. Post whatever you want about me. Who are the bad guys? Brian's words are still in the archive. You continue to make the mistake of assuming that the neocons and the CFR are two separate camps, when in fact the neocons are a major faction within the CFR.  Before you can understand conspiracy politics you need to master overt politics thoroughly.  That's been one of my major problems with you all along.  You simply don't have the scholarly background to put Skull & Bones in overall historical perspective.  You don't know the players and the issues in any depth or detail, which is why you are more in the conspiracy fantasy than the conspiracy research camp.  When did I ever say that they were two different camps, Sean? Fine, if I don't have any background, then why do you even care?  One thing I can tell you for sure about the highest level of S&B: its strategic objective is not to turn the entire world violently against Americans and to bankrupt the United States.  This is why the days of the Bush administration are numbered.  Bush Junior has totally screwed up, and his membership in S&B won't save him. Who and what is the strategic objective of the highest level of S&B? And how do KNOW that? Bush I is plugged into the top level.  Bush II is socially plugged into S&B, but mentally plugged into just about nothing.  He doesn't understand anything that is going on around him.  He ignored or defied the polite suggestions of his father and his father's inner circle on some key policy issues. And I think you put entirely too much on the "public" pronouncements of game players.   You're mistaken if you think that Bush I wanted to see his son ruined and humiliated, which is probably going to be the case now.  There was no master plan behind this mess.  Just a war among factions.  History is largely the unfolding of multiple internecine conflicts among multiple conspiratorial groups, with a huge dash of transhuman forces thrown in.  All of these oh so human fun and games could be blown away in an instant by a natural disaster -- an "act of God," whether a supervolcano, an asteroid, a solar flare or whatever.  We're really not all that big a deal in the big scheme of things.  Just another struggling species among trillions scattered throughout the universe, struggling to survive and prevail.  Our situation is highly precarious.  We shouldn't take ourselves too seriously. Do you notice the comical self-contradiction between your habitual rude and surly tone and your Peace and Om hippy-dippy signatures?  One doubts it.  Self-parody this effective is usually unconscious. Just because I believe in peace doesn't make me into a doormat. Peace, Om K To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om 2"> ----- Original Message ----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 29, 2003 5:00 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Kris Millegan's Recent False Charges in CTRL -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 9/29/03 1:30:31 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Millegan,   You are trying to leave the impression that Mark Urban and Jim Rarey accused me of posting forgeries under the name of Brian Quig to cia-drugs.  The exact opposite is the truth.  Since you know this is the case, one can only conclude that you are a dishonest person.  McFraud, No, I said that Mark Urban nor Jim Rarey didn't receive the message that was supposedly cc'd to them as presented in a message purporting to be from Brian. I have stated quite clearly that two forged emails were used in a campaign against myself, EIR and the CIA-Drugs group. I never said that anyone else said that. I quite clearly stated that you, Eastman and webfairy were involved.  So from your imagined "impression" you now call me a dishonest person. In what way? What am I trying to do  dishonestly? Please be specific. What elements of the supposed "forged" messages are inconsistent with Brian's well-known views?  Obviously what upsets you is that Brian believed that you were in cahoots with the bad guys.  You're grasping at straws in trying to make Brian's negative evaluations of you go away. Your rhetoric belies youself. Why do you continually put words into people's mouth? Brian's words about me were posted on the list. What upsets me is to see you use Brian to advance your personal agenda. Post whatever you want about me. Who are the bad guys? Brian's words are still in the archive. You continue to make the mistake of assuming that the neocons and the CFR are two separate camps, when in fact the neocons are a major faction within the CFR.  Before you can understand conspiracy politics you need to master overt politics thoroughly.  That's been one of my major problems with you all along.  You simply don't have the scholarly background to put Skull & Bones in overall historical perspective.  You don't know the players and the issues in any depth or detail, which is why you are more in the conspiracy fantasy than the conspiracy research camp.  When did I ever say that they were two different camps, Sean? Fine, if I don't have any background, then why do you even care?  One thing I can tell you for sure about the highest level of S&B: its strategic objective is not to turn the entire world violently against Americans and to bankrupt the United States.  This is why the days of the Bush administration are numbered.  Bush Junior has totally screwed up, and his membership in S&B won't save him. Who and what is the strategic objective of the highest level of S&B? And how do KNOW that? Bush I is plugged into the top level.  Bush II is socially plugged into S&B, but mentally plugged into just about nothing.  He doesn't understand anything that is going on around him.  He ignored or defied the polite suggestions of his father and his father's inner circle on some key policy issues. And I think you put entirely too much on the "public" pronouncements of game players.   You're mistaken if you think that Bush I wanted to see his son ruined and humiliated, which is probably going to be the case now.  There was no master plan behind this mess.  Just a war among factions.  History is largely the unfolding of multiple internecine conflicts among multiple conspiratorial groups, with a huge dash of transhuman forces thrown in.  All of these oh so human fun and games could be blown away in an instant by a natural disaster -- an "act of God," whether a supervolcano, an asteroid, a solar flare or whatever.  We're really not all that big a deal in the big scheme of things.  Just another struggling species among trillions scattered throughout the universe, struggling to survive and prevail.  Our situation is highly precarious.  We shouldn't take ourselves too seriously. Do you notice the comical self-contradiction between your habitual rude and surly tone and your Peace and Om hippy-dippy signatures?  One doubts it.  Self-parody this effective is usually unconscious. Just because I believe in peace doesn't make me into a doormat. Peace, Om K www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER ========== CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds—is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. 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