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--- Begin Message ----Caveat Lector- I do not think Kris is in the same boat as gunderson. I think hartwell wants to be taken seriously yet remains firmly on the sidelines.Kris had some problems with people who posted to ciadrugs - that is all! To equate Kris with a disinfo artist like Gunderson is like equating a scofflaw with a war criminal. Again, if you go back to the history, you will note that Sean McBride does not indeed use his real name (we all know that you, webfairy, are Rosalee Grable). Sean does have problems with Israel's government, the neocons and the Bush administration - not a particularly unique set of problems, but he comes across as an intelligent, cogent thinker and observer who has a warm spot in his heart for the CFR. At least he does not perceive the CFR to be a threat at all; instead, he appears to see it as man's last best hope for engendering a dialogue among disparate individuals and groups in the geopolitical arena. He did not believe the oil companies had much of a controlling hand in events in the middle east, and that, to my mind, is wrong. Sean also has problems with Ruppert. Vreeland was a major embarrassment to Ruppert; however, Mike stuck by his guns and pursued other lines of inquiry into the 911 tragedy and has made powerful, valid points about flaws in the official version of 911. I do not particularly agree with everything Mike writes or supports; however, he is quick to acknowledge his errors and move on to fruitful investigation. If anything, the world would benefit from more, not fewer, Mike Rupperts. Kris has been very tolerant of the rants, petty squabbles and outright boneheadedness that shows up at this bbs on a daily basis. I think there is a foolish perception by many members of CIADRUGS that the democrats will save the union and that the republicans are the reason everything is falling apart - this is the most dangerous view one can have, because it traps you in a dead end. Nether a Republican nor a democrat will save this country; instead, an informed, wary electorate can work wonders. The two party system was designed to limit your choices and it has succeeded brilliantly. Kris has taught me more about Skull and Bones than anybody else, and I thank him for it. I do not believe for one second that Kris is a disinfo agent. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], The Webfairy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I agree whole heartedly. > I think Gunderson is doing his very darn best and Hartwell is too and so is Milligan, > but when they grow up in that certain intelligence millieu, the chances they are being > used for some ulterior purpose is pretty good. > Gunderson is from the town in Colorado where Knights of the Golden Circle moved their > headquarters before they went entirely clandestine. The name Gunderson recurs in the > Patriot story about the boxcars with shackles, as the name of the builders. > Gunderson's occult tie would be through the Knights of Pythias, more Boners with KGC > symbolism and ties to Colorado mining and railroads. > > Gunderson should never be swallowed whole. > His latest story is another opportunity to pretend Al-CIA-Duh doesn't exist and there > are "real" terrorists out there. > His letter doesn't mention he's the guy who escorted "Tim Osman" aka Osama Bin Ladin, > himself, so he oughta know better than the rest of us that it's all buddy-buddy under > the curtains. > > Sometimes people have to spin stuff to try to make sure they stay alive. Brian Quig > did that. I don't know what sort of pressure had been brought on Milligan, but I > expect it has to do with generational intelligence ties. The Milligan of ExParte > Milligan was a high ranking KGC. WE owe our freedom from military interference in > civilian affairs to debts called in to keep this guy from getting hung. > > My post that Kris jumped on was just a bunch of links so people on my private WTC list > could read about Gunderson for themselves. > Somebody posted it at CTRL, and it got jumped on. > Sheesh. > > mark urban wrote: > > > I think it is very important to deal with first things first as > > Marcus Aurelius cautioned. This all begins with vote of confidence in > > Gunderson's material. Gunderson is bad news. Way back when I first > > joined CIADRUGS, I remember that Hoppy Heidelberg, the defrocked > > grand juror in the Okbomb case, mentioned in a radio interview that > > gunderson was responsible for getting him kicked off the grand jury > > because he had certain depositions videotaped and videographers are > > not protected by attorney/client priviledge. > > > > I personally do not believe anything that Ted Gunderson offers. > > Gu--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], The Webfairy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > It doesn't suprise me at all. > > > I am sure he was waiting with anticipation for the day the last of > > the messages > > > expired, so he could go another round. > > > We both have message archives, and know in advance that any use of > > them would just be > > > called more fraud and forgery as Roadsend foams at the mouth > > embarrassingly. > > > I don't have time for the replay. > > > > > > To prove that I am exactly who I say I am, I was going to host > > a "Wine and Conspiracy > > > Party" so I could invite William Shannon to come check out my - I'm > > joking- "Secure > > > Underground Bunker and Situation Room" from which I am running my > > discordian > > > conspiracy to underwhelm the existing conspiracy. > > > The controversy dropped, and me and Wes both have better use of our > > time than social > > > chitchat, so there were no further preparations. > > > > > > Eric Hufschmid, the author of Painful Disceptions, ran with my idea. > > > > > http://members.aol.com/PainfulQuestions/ConspiracyTastingParties.html > > > Surely Roadsend considers him just another one of my "sockpuppets." > > > > > > Meanwhile, a truly kitchy 80's bar in the Elvis tradition turned up > > in trash down the > > > block, and my nephew dragged it home, so for the Wine Tasting part, > > we've even got a > > > bar. > > > My friend with the computer-projector that can fill a whole wall, > > she's coming over > > > Wednesday, so I'll have her bring it. > > > > > > So I guess the party is on! > > > Anybody who's in reach of the northwest side of Chicago, 2 blocks > > from the end of the > > > Ravenswood Line, and is reading this message is formally invited. > > > This international conspiracy can't afford a telephone anymore, so > > email > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] for directions and input as to exactly what the date > > should > > > be. > > > > > > Those who like wine should bring a bottle of their favorite. > > > For those who don't, there will be strange food from the many > > ethnic groceries in the > > > neighborhood that I've never had courage to try, and whatever > > potluck people want to > > > bring. > > > > > > Sean, too bad you don't live close enough to attend. > > > > > > > > > > > > Sean McBride wrote: > > > > > > > Webfairy, It's surprising that Millegan would attempt to > > reignite this controversy > > > > now. You and Stephanie have provided plausible scenarios to > > explain what went on in > > > > cia-drugs. They make a great deal of sense to me. It is > > disturbing, to say the > > > > least, to be smeared by false charges, but let's do our best not > > to get mired down > > > > in a feud, especially on the level which Millegan seems > > determined to wage it. > > > > That's the trap which pretty much destroyed cia-drugs as a useful > > forum. Maximum > > > > signal, minimum noise. :) Let's continue to focus like a laser > > beam on our best > > > > information, analysis and insights. > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From:The Webfairy > > > > To: political-research ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Sent: Monday, September 29, 2003 11:54 AM > > > > Subject: Re: [political-research] Kris Millegan's Recent > > False Charges in > > > > CTRL > > > > It is interesting that Roadsend waited til the archives of > > his last > > > > temper tantrum/schitzoid paranoia attack cleared before > > restating false > > > > charges. Fifth time posting this tho it was pointedly > > ignored on previous > > > > occasions: "I'm starting to think Roadsend has a > > cooperative > > > > agenda to ruin this list. Maybe even the name > > > > CIA-Drugs was a firebreak, to make sure it was > > > > CIA-drugs would pop into everybody's mind, and > > > > not Mossad drugs. > > > > > > > > I can remember when discussing Mossad involvement > > > > was sternly discouraged. Before the shit started > > > > dripping from the ceiling, we had Phoenix and > > > > Sean not only treating each other like fellow > > > > researchers, but creeping close to agreement on > > > > major issues. We had John Galt and Mike from > > > > Dallas backing up my contention that the Crown > > > > Templar can be found lurking behind every country > > > > currently pushing Eternal War. > > > > > > > > We have decendents of the Knights of the Golden > > > > Circle turning up in peculiar places, like the > > > > money behind the Ford Motor Company, and the > > > > Secret society in Omaha so intimately connected > > > > to the Franklin Coverup on one end, and Secret > > > > society members connected to the Railroads on the > > > > other. It was really interesting, but now there > > > > seems to be vested interest in disrupting this > > > > list, encouraging people to unsubscribe, or to > > > > lump Cia-drugs posters with Stewie's bozo bus. > > > > > > > > Roadsend comes from an intelligence family, and may > > be > > > > as subject to pressure as anybody else who's > > > > ventured too close to the fire. Our probing > > > > questions got too hot for Ruppert to handle, and > > > > Ruppert is Roadsend's friend. Maybe it's payback > > > > time, for us not turning into Bobbleheads for > > > > Ruppert's Vreeland and Peak Oil adventures." > > > > > > > > > > > > Sean McBride wrote: > > > > > > > > To set the record straight, Kris Millegan > > continues to make > > > > false charges in the paragraph below: > > > > > > > > Webfairy is a shill. Webfariy, Dick Eastman and > > Sean > > > > McBride and others were caught using the death of > > > > fellow researcher and writer Brian Quig's death in > > an > > > > attempt to take-over and sabotage the CIA-Drugs > > list. > > > > It was quite the act. McBride began the > > > > Ruppert-bashing on the list. Over two years was > > spent > > > > in building up the personas. But "whispering > > campaigns > > > > and other cointelpro actions are quite transparent > > on > > > > the net. Words are like rope and sooner or later > > they > > > > hang themselves. > > > > > > > > Millegan has been repeatedly challenged to provide > > evidence to > > > > back up these outrageous and libelous charges, and he > > has failed > > > > to respond. He is unable to defend the charges in a > > direct and > > > > open discussion. > > > > > > > > Millegan damaged both his credibility and cia-drugs > > when he > > > > decided to go down this path. Why he did this to > > himself > > > > remains a mystery. > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Sunday, September 28, 2003 1:16 > > > > PMSubject: [CTRL] Omaha, Gunderson, et al > > > > > > > > Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 22:29:32 -0500 > > > > From: The Webfairy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > > Gunderson is INTERESTING, including connections to > > the > > > > invention of the sort of > > > > explosives used against the WTC. > > > > He was a shining star of a shady world once. A > > > > question locked in enigma still. > > > > > > > > My personal opinion having met Ted Gunderson, looking > > at the > > > > history surrounding him. I believe Mr. Gunderson to be > > a part of > > > > the very same "mind-control" milieu that he fights > > against. It > > > > is very typical pattern for "survivors." The mind- > > control > > > > studies are the most difficult to understand and are > > very murky. > > > > Ted comes from Nebraska a very early area for the > > stuff. Ted was > > > > in New Haven, another center for mind control, in the > > 70s. The > > > > 70s FBI office in New Haven was very much involved in > > > > cointelpro. The video Conspiracy of Silence is worth > > viewing > > > > and sharing with others. > > > > > > > > The main disnfo job that Ted has done is to paint > > Satanist as > > > > THE perps in the pedophile activity. Not saying that > > there is > > > > not some satanist and the use of rituals involved in the > > > > mind-control, but just that it goes farther than the > > satanists. > > > > That is a herring to gather the heat, while the true > > perps > > > > continue. > > > > > > > > Webfairy is a shill. Webfariy, Dick Eastman and Sean > > McBride and > > > > others were caught using the death of fellow researcher > > and > > > > writer Brian Quig's death in an attempt to take- over and > > > > sabotage the CIA-Drugs list. It was quite the act. > > McBride began > > > > the Ruppert-bashing on the list. Over two years was > > spent in > > > > building up the personas. But "whispering campaigns and > > other > > > > cointelpro actions are quite transparent on the net. > > Words are > > > > like rope and sooner or later they hang themselves. > > > > > > > > Conspiracy theory, though while denigrated, is used all > > the time > > > > in realpolitick all the time. Most scandals are not > > organic and > > > > is used to move history along in the direction that the > > secret > > > > societies want. > > > > > > > > The CONTROL that exists over the news is staggering and > > has been > > > > going on for generations. We do not have journalists > > we have > > > > publicists. > > > > > > > > Bob Woodward is a member of the secret society Book & > > Snake at > > > > Yale. The New York Herald Tribune story that first > > Kranish, then > > > > Robbins, then Herskowitz used to prop up their defense > > of the > > > > Bush family involvement with financing the Nazis was a > > plant in > > > > 1941. It's funny, not one detractor of the Bush family > > had ever > > > > mentioned the Tribune article. It only came to light in > > writings > > > > by the flacks for Bush. The Tribune was owned by the > > Reid > > > > family, it had be snatched away from others when bought > > by > > > > Whitelaw Reid, a founding member of DKE and a member of > > Phi Beta > > > > Kappa at Miami U in Ohio. The article mostly present a > > defense > > > > for Harriman and friends also while laying confusion > > about > > > > Thyssen. Thyssen was good friends of pederast Ernest > > Rohem. > > > > Harriman was the owner of Union-Pacific, based in > > Omaha, where > > > > according to many the big things in upper management are > > > > Masonry, homosexuality and pederasty. Gee, and Omaha > > isn't that > > > > where our selected representative of "Nine old men" ( > > I realize > > > > their are women on the bench) went to invoke FEMA? > > > > > > > > Secret societies are not good for our Republic. > > > > > > > > Fleshing Out Skull & Bones ? Investigations into > > America's Most > > > > Powerful Secret Society > > > > > > > > Om > > > > K > > > > > > > > > > > > To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List [CTRL] > > send > > > > email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! 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