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Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 13:14:58 -0700 (PDT)
From: Party of Citizens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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To: Mila Rush <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: [LOGES-DE-CORBEAUX] Re: INT-LAW Haida Nation in UN General
Assembly? (fwd)
On Tue, 30 Sep 2003, Mila Rush wrote:
> Will you please take this debate off Int-Law. The latter is not really for
> political debates. Check your welcome message for why this list was created.
>
> If I remember correctly, this is the second time that I'm asking
> Citizens... to not use this list for this purpose. Will you please comply
> this time.
Yes of course; and apologies. It is very difficult to separate the
political from the legal in this case. But here is a succint version
expressed as much in law terms as possible:
Do the Haida not have as much "right of self-determination" (Article 1,
Part 1.1 of the International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural
Rights) as other micro-nations like the Pacific Island micro-nations and
the Balkan micro-nations?
We will forward to Prime Minister Chretien as well, looking forward to his
answer.
POC
> Thank you for your cooperation.
>
> At 03:38 PM 9/29/2003 -0700, you wrote:
> >Common sense says that First Nations will never receive due respect in
> >treaty negotiations in Canada until they flex some geopolitical muscle.
> >Even if Haida don't want secession per se, they could go to the UN and
> >request a seat in the General Assembly for the sake of other First Nations
> >negotiating here. What is so unreasonable about doing so when other
> >Pacific Island micro-nations have seats in the UN? BTW, Italy doesn't fall
> >about because it has a micro-nation, San Marino, in its midst. I would
> >suggest it adds some cultural "colour" to the Italian boot for the benefit
> >of all concerned.
> >
> >Since there are people here who have DUAL CITIZENSHIP (eg Canadian-US) why
> >not dual Haida-Canadian? Thus Haida would remain Canadians. Could other
> >Canadians become Haida? If the terms were reasonable and not overly
> >exclusionist, why would other Canadians object to recognizing Haida as
> >sovereign on their own "homelands" (a UBCIC term)? Otherwise, First
> >Nations keep calling themselves "nations" but that will become quite
> >meaningless in time unless these nations behave as other nations do.
> >
> >POC
> >
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> >On Mon, 29 Sep 2003, [iso-8859-1] AJAA wrote:
> >
> > > --- Party of Citizens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a �crit :
> > > > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > > > Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 19:45:57 -0700 (PDT)
> > > > From: Party of Citizens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > Subject: [LOGES-DE-CORBEAUX] Haida Nation in UN
> > > > General Assembly?
> > > >
> > > > Iraq and Afghanistan are occupied nations and that
> > > > does not prevent them
> > > > from holding seats in the UN General Assembly. Why
> > > > can't the occupied
> > > > Haida Nation also take a seat in the UN General
> > > > Assembly, alongside the
> > > > other Pacific Island micro-nations?
> > > >
> > > > POC
> > >
> > > Read some history, man:
> > > Iran was a founding member of the UN and Afghanistan
> > > joined later on in 1946. Both had independent regimes
> > > (both being today provisional until free,
> > > non-Baathist-, non-Taliban-style elections are held)
> > > and still are independent nations.
> > > http://www.un.org/spanish/descolonizacion/theworldin45.pdf
> > > http://www.un.org/News/dh/latest/afghan/un-afghan-history.shtml
> > >
> > > The "occupied Haida nation" citizens never stopped
> > > being Canadian citizens with right to vote and all the
> > > benefits of Canadian citizenship, that even today many
> > > Afghans and Iranians are anxious to get Canadian
> > > visas.
> > >
> > > Calling for some common sense,
> > >
> > >
> > > Aguilar
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Do You Yahoo!? -- Une adresse @yahoo.fr gratuite et en fran�ais !
> > > Yahoo! Mail : http://fr.mail.yahoo.com
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> Mila R. Rush
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