-Caveat Lector- 
I have a strict policy of not engaging in "discussions" with people who can't write civil and well-organized prose, and who don't seem to have done any homework on the subjects they are excited about.  Usenet is downing in the kind of sludge which one hopes to avoid in more selective mailing lists.  Perhaps you'd be happier there, where you could flail away with likeminded "conspiracy theorists."
 
Rewrite your posts, removing all the personal attacks and focusing on your best points and documentary evidence, and perhaps we can pick up these topics.  I have seen enough of your efforts by now, however, to be doubtful that you are capable of serious writing or thinking.  You were always the weakest contributor to cia-drugs, and are frankly embarrassing whenever you open your mouth.
 
I'll be happy to pursue the oil industry and Skull & Bones issues with anyone here who can proceed in a meaningful way, without all the infantile invective.
 
(This is not directed to Millegan -- he has already demonstrated repeatedly that he can't provide this information:)
 
I would especially like to see a list of all the oil industry executives and Skull & Bones members who agitated for the Iraq War.  According to Anthony Sampson, many leaders of big oil feared that Bush's military adventurism in the Mideast would be a calamity for their business interests.  They were proven right by events.
 
Here are just a few of the neocon and neocon-related outfits that were ringleaders in promoting the war with a high-pitched ideological fervor that had little do with oil per se.  For the neocons, oil, water, land and other physical resources are merely means to a messianic end.  They are fanatics, not rational pragmatists; that is why they have made such a mess in Iraq.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 6:29 PM
Subject: Re: [CTRL] ExxonMobil's Raymond does not see going into Iraq soon

-Caveat Lector- Do you just enjoy embarrassing yourself?  You have no credibilty. You participated in a fraud. You are not a real person. You are McFraud.

And ?

Why should the oil companies pay for building the infrastructure when Bush & Co are sticking the US taxpayers for the bill? All the report said was that they didn't want to go in their today. And to you that is evidence that oil had nothing to do with the war. May I sell you a bridge?

Rather grasping at straws to promulgate you differing factions theory?

Gee, Sean McF, you didn't respond to the post where, I pointed out your mistake about Senator Graham and membership in Skull & Bones.

Imagine that ?

Peace,

Om
K

In a message dated 10/3/03 2:31:50 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


-Caveat Lector-
Further evidence that the oil industry was NOT behind the Iraq War.

 

Compare the tone of Lee Raymond, the Chairman and CEO of ExxonMobil, with that of fire-breathing neocons like Norman Podhoretz or Charles Krauthammer.

 

The neocons are fanatical ideologues.  Oil industry leaders are practical business people.  The invasion and occupation of Iraq was a profoundly impractical and self-destructive venture.

 

http://www.platts.com/stories/oil3.html

 

Moscow (Platts)--3Oct2003 ExxonMobil Chairman and CEO Lee Raymond said Friday investing in Iraqi energy projects was quite a way dcown the road with political stability a prerequisite for investment. <P> Oil companies will also need to see political stability in Iraq before beginning to invest in Iraq, Raymond told a Moscow conference organized by the World Economic Forum. <P> "I fear that will not happen quickly," he said. The time when foreign oil companies will become fully involved in developing Iraqi oil reserves is "quite a long way down the road", Raymond said. <P> First Iraq will have to get its facilities up to "a reasonable standard," Raymond said, describing Iraqi infrastructure as being "in a horrible condition." He said: "From an engineering point of view, it's incredible to me that they even continue to operate at all." <P> Finance for restoring Iraq's oil industry will have to come either from Iraq itself or from the US, he said. Asked if he thought Iraq would dry up oil company dollars and attract funds away from Russia, Raymond said the possibility of another huge oil-producing country like Iraq competing with Russia for international capital would not happen "for some time." <P> Iraq's known reserves at 113-bil bbls are the world's second biggest after Saudi Arabia. But the state of the Iraqi oil industry is in a shambles following three wars since 1980 -- against Iran, Kuwait and recently the US-led war -- and 12 years of economic sanctions. <P> Estimates of repairing Iraq's oil industry to maintain current production and exports vary from $1.4-bil to over $2-bil over the next two years. Raymond had earlier spoken of his company's interest in investing in Russia but would not confirm nor deny reports that ExxonMobil was negotiating to buy a big stake in Russian mega giant YukosSibneft. <P> This story was originally published in <a href="" target="_blank">Platts Global Alert.</a>




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Moscow (Platts)--3Oct2003

ExxonMobil Chairman and CEO Lee Raymond said Friday investing in Iraqi energy projects was quite a way dcown the ro?d with political stability a prerequisite for investment.
Oil companies will also need to see political stability in Iraq before beginning to invest in Iraq, Raymond told a Moscow conference organized by the World Economic Forum.
"I fear that will not happen quickly," he said. The time when foreign oil companies will become fully involved in developing Iraqi oil reserves is "quite a long way down the road", Raymond said.
First Iraq will have to get its facilities up to "a reasonable standard," Raymond said, describing Iraqi infrastructure as being "in a horrible condition." He said: "From an engineering point of view, it's incredible to me that they even continue to operate at all."
Finance for restoring Iraq's oil industry will have to come either from Iraq itself or from the US, he said. Asked if he thought Iraq would dry up oil company dollars and attract funds away from Russia, Raymond said the possibility of another huge oil-producing country like Iraq competing with Russia for international capital would not happen "for some time."
Iraq's known reserves at 113-bil bbls are the world's second biggest after Saudi Arabia. But the state of the Iraqi oil industry is in a shambles following three wars since 1980 -- against Iran, Kuwait and recently the US-led war -- and 12 years of economic sanctions.
Estimates of repairing Iraq's oil industry to maintain current production and exports vary from $1.4-bil to over $2-bil over the next two years. Raymond had earlier spoken of his company's interest in investing in Russia but would not confirm nor deny reports that ExxonMobil was negotiating to buy a big stake in Russian mega giant YukosSibneft.
This story was originally published in
Platts Global Alert.




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