-Caveat Lector- Use your fucking common sense man. TOTEM and TABOO under U-S-A. What does it tell you?
POC On Fri, 14 Nov 2003, David Sutherland wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Party of Citizens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "David Sutherland" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 4:59 PM > Subject: Re: [CTRL] Antony C. Sutton: THE JEWISH-CONSPIRACY THEORY OF THE BOLSHEVIK > REVOLUTION > > > > No "hard empirical evidence" that Jews were behind 1917? Read Stuart > > Kahan's "Wolf of the Kremlin" about his Uncle Kaganovitch whom he lauds. > > Kahan says 52% of the original 1917 government were Jews. The big names > > are well known like Kaganovitch who was behind the HOLOCAUST of 10 million > > or so Ukrainians in 1932-33 and Bronstein (Trotsky) of New York. What more > > do you need for hard empirical evidence? > > > > POC > > > > > I think what Sutton alludes to is the notion that rather than singling out > individuals, or an ethnic group, there is a powerful Elite who pull the strings > behind the scenes and use individuals as mere pawns in their power games and this > Elite often singles out Jews as a whole, as convenient and time-worn scapegoats in > an endeavour to hide their own nefarious activities. > > I don't think any particular ethnic demographic is any more or any less susceptible > to corruption, megalomania and acts of revenge for what they perceive as past or > present ills. > > What irks people like myself is the incessant Judeophobia increasingly pushed by > politicised sycophants, as exhibited by some on this small forum. Multiply that by > ten, a hundred or a thousand times; a twisted sizeable voice of hate emerges with > naive and ready recruits to add to that clamour. > > There are quite a number of different and competing theories floating about as to > who was behind the Russian Revolution. The likes of Hitler and Stalin both arose in > what could be termed the heartlands of Christendom. > > Jews were hardly some ruling elite or had access to the socio-religio-politico power > structures. Marx was a German atheist moneyed by Vatican-allied Financiers. Both > Stalinist-style and Hitler-ist powers persecuted the Jews and they became > scapegoats; classed as Conspirators. Much the same kind of crock is again being > recycled. The Jews were losers all round. > > The Vatican has been the majority winner in all of this. The revival of its > fiefdoms, the crushing of the Russian Orthodox church, persecution of Protestants, > Jews, Masons, Liberal movements, the establishment of Vatican State, the > manipulation of the US against a phoney "Cold War" to re-unite the weakened > schismatic denominations in an ecumenical recognition of the pope as a sovereign > spiritual leader, and chief warrior in the war against the "Jew Commies," so on and > so forth. > > In the end, Stalin and those like him persecuted the Jews similarly to Hitler; > wanting to eradicate them. It is hardly surprising that Jews weren't very happy with > their treatment, as I am sure neither would anyone else be. Yet we do not focus > blame on all Russians for the activities of Stalin, of likewise stigmatise all > Germans as Hitler-ists, yet this is the game being played-out against the Jews. > > Before political Jewish Zionism ever emerged, the Christian Zionist's were busied > with the concept of Zionism, and finally manufactured the modern State of Israel. > Who owns Israel if not the West, particularly the US? Today, Israel and the Jews are > being portrayed on the global stage again as pariahs. The Jewish cosmopolitan ghetto > is fast becoming a paradigm for the worlds first nation-state-ghetto ala Israel. > Wherein Western Apocalyptic screeds predict a fiery destruction for its people. > > The writing of history is often paved with error and open to misinterpretation. This > may not necessarily be sinister; but simply the product of finite human limitations. > Others wish to rewrite history, as a type of remedy for past wrongs and present ills. > > Blacks and slavery is one such arena. Prior to the 1960's it was probably impossible > to get an unbiased general American History written by whites to provide a fair, > investigatory view of what slavery and its results meant to black Americans - or, by > the same token, of what the conquest of the West meant to American Indians. Modern > historians, black and white have laboured to set this right. > > But, there is no evil ever so great that it cannot be exaggerated; and this appears > to have been the cherished project of some hitherto Afrocentrics, who manufactured > an omnipotent slaver-devil out of the white European. > > The latter of course historically abolished the practice, whilst blacks themselves, > Africans, Black Muslims whose Prophet does not forbid the practice; Arabs who > historically dominated the trade; continued on. > > In the 13-14th centuries, immense slave plantations existed in the Mali empire. > Every imaginable cruelty was visited upon slaves in the antebellum South, including > the practice of breeding children for sale like cattle; all under the dominion of > black rulers, whose towns certain Afrocentics portrayed as sanitized examples of > high civilization, such as Timbuktu and Songhay. Arch-bigots like Louis Farrakhan, > take advantage of pseudo-histories to manufacture paranoid-texts to demonise their > perceived foes. Jews again became a target in Farrakhan's "The Secret Relationship > Between Blacks and Jews" which portrays Jews as merchants of "slavery and the black > holocaust". > > Afrocentics like to claim ancient Egypt as their own, yet many of the "glories of > Egypt" were built on the backs of slaves. By about the first millennium BC, Pharaoh > Rameses II boasts of providing slaves, over 100,000 of them, to the temples. Without > the slave economy, Egypt and its monumental culture would not have been realised. > > When you are dealing with a paranoid conspiracy crowd, things get even more bizarre. > There is always the dispassion for uncertainty, and the human hunger and thirst for > certainty and certitude, and the need to have an answer to every mystery or riddle > in life. It's often far easier to come up with a quick conspiracy theory, rather > than do the hard work and wade through mounds of evidence and facts to derive at an > informed conclusion, and even then not have "THE answer" but just weight of > probability. > > For the former, the world is not in flux; life cannot be so simple, so accidental > and absurd at times, as to hinge on a pin of simple human error or virtue. It has to > complex and above all planned, with good and evil clearly demarcated as likewise the > lords goat and the scapegoat identified. > > > > As far as the "Wolf of the Kremlin" is concerned, the following may be of interest: > > Statement of the Kaganovich Family > The fall of the USSR has revealed that a number of 'authoritative' works on the > Soviet Union published in the West are in actual fact forgeries. In 1987 the United > States publisher, Morrow, published a book by one Stuart Kahan under the title 'Wolf > of the Kremlin: First Biography of L.M. Kaganovich, the Soviet Union's Architect of > Fear". The volume was published in 1989 in the UK by the British publishing house, > Hale. In 1991 a Russian translation, 'Kremlyovskii volk', was published in Moscow by > Progress Publishers, and a chapter of this volume appeared in the 'Nedyelya' weekly > magazine. This statement was sent in the form of a letter of protest to the Director > of Progress Publishers and the Chief Editor of 'Nedyelya'. No reply was ever > received. The statement is published for the first time in this journal. We are > grateful to the grandson of L.M. Kaganovich for having translated this text into > English. Citations from the book are given in backward translation from the Russian. > The pagination is that of the Russian edition. > > We, the close relatives of the late Lazar Moiseyevich Kaganovich, are full of > indignation due to the publication of the Russian translation of the book "The Wolf > in the Kremlin" by the American journalist Stuart Kahan. The translation was > published by Progress Publishers, and one chapter of the book also appeared in the > weekly magazine "Nedyelya" No. 5, 1991. > > We insist that this book is full of lies and slander. The author of the book falsely > claims to be LMK's grand-nephew and makes an attempt to persuade the readers to > trust his writings. In fact, he is an adventurer and neither LMK himself, nor we > ever had any idea about his existence. On May 31, 1981 LMK sent a letter to A.A. > Gromyko (who was at that time the USSR Foreign Minister) with a request to protect > him against Stuart Kahan's pressing attempts to visit him (through the USSR Embassy > in Washington). LMK vigorously denied the existence of any nephew in the USA. He > wrote that he had not and would not ever receive him. > > Being quite ignorant of the facts of LMK's life, Stuart Kahan has misinterpreted > LMK's biography and has distorted totally his image. Relying on false information, > on his own fabrications, as well as on all sorts of gossips circulating around LMK, > he imputed to him absurd and dirty intentions, statements, and aspirations which in > fact were alien to him, and attributed to him improper and even criminal actions > which he had never committed. Throughout the whole book the author permits himself > to make rude and insulting remarks in an intolerable tone. > > We, who for many years had associated with LMK and were closely acquainted with his > private life, his moral principles and his human nature, decisively refute the > slanderous figments about LMK and testify that his personality was, in fact, > entirely unlike the one worked out by this unscrupulous American "relative" who in > pair with his daddy obviously intended to make a lot of money with this libel. In > any case LMK's personality belongs to history, so all the facts connected with him > should be authentic and reliable. That is why we cannot remain indifferent to such a > crying distortion of facts, to such lies and falsifications. > > The following are our particular observations and disproofs to the whole set of > materials displayed in the book. > > The author claims that LMK supposedly placed his sister by Stalin's side as a home > doctor and at the same time, according to the author's expression, as the > "dictator's wife", and with her assistance to several Politburo members the > step-by-step poisoning of Stalin was carried out. All this is a wicked calumny. > > The absurdity and falsity of this version is proved by the fact that LMK's only > sister, by mistake named in the book as Rosa (her name was Rachel), died in 1926 and > was buried in Kiev at the Baykov Cemetery. She was married, and she brought up five > children. She had never been a doctor, she never went either to Arzamas, or to > Nizhny Novgorod or Moscow, so she could not have taken part in the actions so > zealously ascribed to her by the author (pp. 238-245). It goes without saying that > the dialogue described in the book (pp. 219-223) which supposedly LMK had with his > already late sister is fictitious. > > A wicked calumny is the assertion on page 217 that LMK supposedly was present at the > interrogation of his brother Mikhail and managed to slip a pistol into his pocket, > which later was used by Mikhail to commit suicide. In reality, according to LMK's > account, the circumstances of Mikhail's death were as follows. Mikhail, being at > that time the director of an airplane construction plant in Kazan and not the Narkom > (minister) of the Aviation Industry, was summoned to the Kremlin for confrontation > with a high-ranking government official, who was arrested at the time (we do not > reveal his name) and under specific pressure of well known kind slandered both > Mikhail and himself. LMK was not present at the confrontation, he was informed later > about what had happened. There was no funeral and no official announcement, even > Mikhail's wife (her name was not Anna, but Cecilia) was not informed officially. All > that happened not in 1945, as the author writes, but in 1941. After rehabilitation > Mikhail's ashes were buried > > at the Novodevichye Cemetery in Moscow where a monument to his memory has been > erected. > > Here are several examples of the author's slandering inventions of absurd actions > and statements ascribed by him to LMK: > > - LMK made a bet on a bottle of vodka for the foretelling of the date of Lenin's > death; - LMK gave false information about Krupskaya and organized her shadowing (p. > 137); - LMK introduced harder restrictions and quotas for Jews than anybody' else; - > Stalin commissioned LMK for the shadowing of his wife Nadezhda. > > The author writes about LMK: "The man who created the security service of KGB" (p. > 9) and "organized the murder department in the NKVD" (p. 141). He ascribed to LMK > the following absurd words: "I want to survive, for that I am ready to oppose my > family, my religion, and even my Motherland" (p. 220). > > This is a calumny. LMK had always felt great esteem and love for Lenin and > Krupskaya. He had never worked in any NKVD organizations and had no relationship > with them. The outrageous views and statements ascribed to him on page 220 are in > deep contrast to his ideas and moral principles, to his devotion to his Motherland. > > During 1935-1944 and in 1937-1938 the years of mass repressions in particular he > headed the Commissariats (ministries) of heavy industry, of fuel and oil industry, > of railway transport, and later that of construction materials industry so he had > not and could not have taken direct participation in the repressions. > > Note should be taken of the devices absolutely inadmissible for a journalist which > are used by the author: he expresses his own artificial and groundless speculations > about the thoughts, statements and actions of other people in such a way as if they > all had taken place in his presence. It inevitably leads to calumny. > > It is necessary to note that the information sources the author refers to can not be > regarded as reliable and do not prove anything. > > In his Preface the author refers to his father's (Jack Kahan) testimony under oath, > in which the latter asserted that "the majority of the materials included in the > book were based on conversations with two persons - LMK whom the book is written > about, and Morris Levik Kaganovich, LMK's cousin, his friend in childhood and my > father". The author also mentions another uncle Levik, who as well as Morris > associated with LMK and accompanied Morris to the USA. Let us see now whether these > information sources are reliable. > > 1. The information the author received from Morris and uncle Levik. These names had > never been mentioned in our families. If we assume that they actually lived in our > village in the days of LMK's early youth, they could not know anything about his > later political and government activities and inform the author about them. At the > same time the information, which he supposedly received from them, concerning the > locality where LMK had been born and had spent his youth, concerning the members of > his family and other facts and events, is far from being correct. > > On page 27 the place "Kabany" is described as a small town with a bookstore, a > bakery, a railway station, and a police-station. In fact Kabany was a remote > village. There was neither a bookstore, nor a bakery, nor a police-station, and as > for the railway it passed at the time and still passes some tens of kilometres from > the village. > > On page 21 the author writes that 2600 people lived in the village, 70% of them > being Jews. In fact there were only 12 Jewish families among the total of 300 > homesteads. > > Contrary to the author's allegation (p. 31) there had never been any Cossack raids > on the village. > > During World War I nobody had been evacuated from the village, as the author alleges > on page 25. The battle front was much more westward from our village and there had > been no migrants from the western regions. > > The author has no idea about LMK's family. LMK's parents did not leave the villages > at that time, his mother did not die on the way from it and was not buried in the > fields (pp. 90-91). LMK's mother died in the 1930's in Kiev and was buried at the > Baykov Cemetery next to her daughter's grave. > > LMK did not have two brothers - Mikhail and Julius, as is stated on page 25, there > were four of them including two elder brothers Aaron and Israel, who are not > mentioned in the book. The names of LMK's mother and sister given by the author are > wrong (pp. 24, 40). The mother's name was not Sasha or Sarah, but Ghenya, the > sister's name was not Rosa, but Rachel. LMK's father Moisey (Moses) had never been a > tailor (p. 6), he was an unskilled labourer. LMK's grandfather had never been a > cantor (p. 20), he was absolutely illiterate and during almost all of his life he > worked as a shepherd at a merchant's sheep-fold and had no musical talent. Mikhail > and Julius had never worked at a steel mill in Gomel (p. 36). There had never been > such a plant there. > > 2. The information supposedly received in the conversations with LMK. The author > writes on page 5: "The most important point is that the main part of the materials > has been written down according to the words of Lazar Moiseyevich Kaganovich." So > what materials had the author received? The description of the supposed 10-hour > conversation with LMK clearly shows that the author has invented such absurd > statements, ascribed to LMK, as: "Don't you think after you leave I'll at once call > up Andropov?", or "I'll let Leonid know and he'll protect you from troubles", or Do > you know that I am a champion in dominoes?", and so on. The author writes: "Lazar > would like to know whether he would live to the day, when his grandchildren appear. > Maya was still unmarried" (p. 288). All this is undoubtedly made up by the author > himself. In actuality LMK's daughter Maya married in 1939 and by 1981 she and his > adopted son had already given him four grandchildren and two great-grandchildren. > > We confirm that such a meeting had never taken place. LMK avoided meeting with > journalists, all the more he would never meet with an American who called himself > his nephew, whom he had never heard about. > > Estimating the help given to him by his father Jack (p. 6) the author writes the > following words: "Thank God for his knowing Yiddish". According to his words he > himself had visited LMK without his father, knowing neither Yiddish, nor Russian. We > testify that LMK could not speak Yiddish, neither did he know English. By means of > what language did they converse in that case? > > The author's description of the apartment and its furnishing does not correspond to > reality. On page 14 the author writes that on the shelf in LMK's flat there stood a > photo of Morris and uncle Levik, and on page 292 he writes that a portrait of > Trotsky also stood there. These things had never been in LMK's flat. > > The book is full of many other figments, perverting LMK's biography. > > On page 104 it is written that after his return from Tashkent in 1922 he visited > Nizhny Novgorod where he was introduced to Maria. In fact at that time he had > already been married to Maria and they had a three year old daughter. He had made > the acquaintance of Maria in Kiev. > > On page 236 the author writes that after his dismissal from all the government posts > LMK went on a trip to his birthplace - the village Kabany, which, according to the > author, has become an industrial centre with artillery production plants, a > fertilizer factory etc. We testify that at the time LMK did not go there and in > reality no such objects existed there. All these are the author's fibs. > > Many other examples of the author's fabrications can be listed (pp. 112, 174, 200, > 225, 233, etc.), but we believe it is no use going on citing them because the > dishonesty of Stuart Kahan as the author of the book is quite evident. > > To our great regret and distress the respected publishers in pursuit of sensation > have made this concoction public without verifying and critically evaluating the > contents of the book. The behaviour of the "Nedyelya" editors, who hastened to > publish the chapter which relates a quite improbable version of Stalin's poisoning, > also should be regarded as improper. > > The people who have irresponsibly authorized the publication of these false and > slandering figments are worth disapproving. We call upon the editorial board to > publish our refutation and to present apologies to the relatives of LMK and his > maliciously slandered sister. It is the honour, the dignity and the good memory of > our relatives who are no longer with us which is dear to us. > > Signed by: > Maya L. Kaganovich (1919), LMK's daughter. > Boris A. Kaganovich (1904-1992), LMK's cousin, was born and grew up in the same > village. > Oscar M. Lantsman (b. 1912), LMK's nephew, son of his sister. > Rachel J. Kaganovich (1918-1994), LMK's niece. > Rosa I. Kaganovich (b. 1919), LMK's niece. > Leonid M. Kaganovich (1927-1993), LMK's nephew. > > Translated from the Russian by Igor Minervin. > > > > > www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER ========== CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds—is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. 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