-Caveat Lector- Mark:
You really are a jackass to not realize how valuable this list is usually...from all angles. You are an even greasier jackass to not realize how open minded Kris usually is, even when faced with biased posts. Whatever lists you market, they must be crap. I have been on and off this list for nearly six years...whenever I have had problems and I complain about posts not getting though, they usually make it second time around. See...Kris is not responsible for the FBI tag you apparently have on your butt. Sometimes I get em too...but only YOU can attempt to cut their probe off of your ass, guy. Kris can't promise you the world. Good riddence if you can't figure out who your Net friends are...get the hell off this list... E. Murray --- Mark S Bilk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > -Caveat Lector- > > In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Organization: http://www.cosmicpenguin.com/911 > > Kris, this attack from you (below), like your > similar ones > against Dick Eastman, contains only unsupported > smears with > no data to back them up, except for your claim that > the people > you're attacking created forged e-mails from Brian > Quig. > > But that claim is based on the fact some people > addressed in > those e-mails say they didn't receive them, or at > least can't > find them. This is _not_ valid evidence, even if > the recipients > in question actually didn't get copies of the > messages, because > e-mail sending and receiving software is quite > fallible: > > I administer two mailing lists (Kris is on one of > mine, and I > am on two of his), and I have seen dozens of > instances in which > messages are bounced by mail servers because of > subtle errors > in their configuration with respect to certain > recipients; > this occurs only intermittently -- most messages to > those > recipients get through. One cause of this can be > erroneous MX > (mail exchanger) records for these recipients. If > the sending > server can't reach the receiving server listed in a > primary MX > record (which happens intermittently due to high > loads), it may > try to send to a server listed in a secondary MX > record which > may be out of date, and that server may bounce the > mail because > the recipient is no longer known to it. > > This situation has been made much worse during the > last ten years > or so as mail servers have been programmed to reject > "relaying" > -- reception of mail destined for recipients on > other servers -- > as a means of cutting down on spam. > > Also, mail client software, especially the programs > from > Microsoft, sometimes lose messages that they've > received. I've > heard complaints from Windows users about this (I > use the much > more reliable -- and free -- Linux system). And > certainly it's > very easy to hit the wrong key and accidently delete > an e-mail > without realizing it. > > Finally, many messages are mistakenly and silently > deleted as > spam by people's mail servers and never sent to > them. The same > messages may reach other recipients whose servers > employ > different spam rejection programs. > > Kris, I apologize for not giving you this > information before, > although we've had a number of phone conversations. > I've only > gradually become aware of it, correlated it, and > learned the > technical facts behind it. So your accusations of > mail forgery > may have resulted from your not having this > knowledge. You > should then rethink all the conclusions you've drawn > from your > belief that these "forgeries" occurred. > > As to your other disagreements with the people > you're attacking, > I haven't followed your disputes with Webfairy, but > I have read > many of your attacks against Eastman. These come > down to your > uncritical acceptance of various witness reports > that the 757 > hit the Pentagon, and your refusal to deal with the > physical > evidence. Witnesses can be mistaken; movies > frequently portray > airplane and helicopter crashes by showing film of > the aircraft > flying toward a building and then film of a large > petroleum > explosion; actually there was no crash. This is > very likely what > was arranged for the Pentagon attack; it's exactly > like a stage > magician "vanishing" in a puff of smoke. It would > certainly > fool witnesses, who almost always think they've seen > what they > expected to see. In fact, when some of the witness > accounts > that claim the plane hit are examined carefully, > they contain > details that would have occurred far too rapidly -- > in a few > thousandths of a second -- for the human eye or > brain to > perceive; this is proof that these witnesses either > imagined > these details, or are intentionally lying. > > Witnesses can easily be deceived, and false > witnesses can easily > be planted, but the physical evidence against the > government > story tells the truth. The original hole in the > building was far > too small; there was no evidence of the impact of > the huge engines > or the tail fin; there was no fire, and very little > debris, on > the lawn despite the plane allegedly hitting the > wall at nearly > a 45 degree angle which would have caused much of it > to end up > outside; the plastic nosecone (designed to pass > radar waves to > and from the radar antenna inside it) could not > possibly have > penetrated the many layers of walls without > shattering -- it must > have been planted; and a rusted part -- allegedly > from an aircraft > that was kept polished to a mirror finish -- was > photographed > inside the building, and so must also have been > planted. > > All this is why almost all 9-11 researchers agree > that the 757 > did not crash into the Pentagon, but rather passed > over it, and, > possibly after loitering over the ocean for a while, > landed at > Reagan airport or some other during the very chaotic > period when > all planes were being forced to land immediately, > wherever they > were. > > In the last year or so there have been many > accusations from some > 9-11 researchers that various people who disagree > with them are > fascist agents. I'm sure this isn't true in Dick > Eastman's case > because I've come to know him very well, and > besides, the evidence > backs him up! I've also seen his mistaken > accusations against > others (e.g., Mike Ruppert), based on inadequate > knowledge of what > they've written, just like I've seen your unproven > accusations, > Kris, against him. Based on the various good work > you've done, > and your willingness to talk about things on the > phone, I don't > think you're an agent either, just a hothead like he > is. The > same is probably true for Mark Robinowitz, who also > ignores all > the Pentagon physical evidence and attacks Eastman, > and Gerard > Holmgren, who's been doing a lot of yelling and > screaming about > other researchers lately, too. And I sense complete > sincerity > from Webfairy, and hope soon to have my computer > modernized so > I can properly see the videos on her website. > > People, let's try to avoid the circular firing squad > scenario. > If we don't hang together... > === message truncated === __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER ========== CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds—is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. 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