-Caveat Lector-
On Oct 27, 2004, at 9:30 PM, Michael Kane wrote:
Agreed entirely.
This persons endorsement should be purged from the petition.
I suggest people just do a quick review of this website http://theoccidentalquarterly.com and decide for yourself. It only took me 5 minutes to make up my mind.
HOWEVER,
as for David Korten, I am very pleased & excited to see he has signed on. His book, "WHEN CORPORATIONS RULE THE WORLD" was one of the first I read in my political awakening and it is truly a masterpiece.
I have not looked into every aspect of Korten's political affiliations - though I do know he was part of USAID, a known CIA front - but I am of the belief that he is of good intent and he is a bonus to the petition sign-on list. He says what he saw working for USAID changed him.
i used to think korten was brilliant until i started learning more about the deep politics of globalization -- the "small is beautiful", anti-technology, and localist ideas he tends to touch on are an intrinsic part of the controlled "opposition" to neoliberal globalization and have been carefully promoted behind the scenes since the 60s. korten is an avid rehabilitator of adam smith and promotes the standard crypto-neolib agitprop that "big government" is no different than big corporations. two clues. this is why someone like him would be welcomed into the club of rome. i've been researching this kind of stuff for more than a year, and plan on writing extensively on it soon.
certain key parts of korten's work strike me as a more "progressive" translation of the sort of ideas promoted since the late 60s by elite globalist insiders like harland cleveland, richard gardner, zbigniew brzezinski, richard falk, herman daly, etc.
however by far the most notable elite mouthpiece for global downsizing, population reduction, and feudalistic localization & tribalism is edward goldsmith, from an old banking family closely allied with the british oligarchy. his late brother james was an important figure in the ultra-right, aristocratic 'pinay circle' which is a secretive spinoff of bilderberg. "peak oil" promoter andrew mckillop is goldsmith's new energy editor for "the ecologist". goldsmith connects to P-2 / BNI, le cercle, michael ledeen, etc... http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Ronald_Reagan/ ReaganContraCommit_TICC.html http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0FQP/is_4436_128/ai_55015426
as for the club of rome, it originated as an institutionalization of the policy ideas that came out of the rockefeller's aspen institute and the cybernetics / systems theory movement which was a spinoff of the CIA's MK-ULTRA social engineering program. it's part of a larger "post-industrial society" agenda.
Lastly, I would like to state there is a HUGE difference between racist/eugenic theories and looking at the reality of coming resource wars - the likes of which we are already in. Looking for solutions to draining hydrocarbon supplies is not in any way part of a "population reduction movement." It is rather looking at the facts and trying to find a proper response/solution - if one exists.
well, looking at the facts is the first part. there is no proof yet of current or imminent "peak oil". it's still a statistical interpretation, with a lot of unknowns. there are multiple factors playing into current price spikes and production issues, which "peak oil" claims might in fact be fig-leafing.
the way one chooses to interpret the real motivations and causes of these co-called "resource wars" has *everything* to do with the elite's racist / eugenics agenda, regardless of what one's intentions are. announcing "solutions" before the debates over the real nature of the "problem" are truly resolved makes one culpable of unwittingly empowering the wrong agendas.
furthermore, over the past decades there has been a huge and unmistakeable correlation between the sectors of the elite which support eugenics / depopulation, and those which support promotion of neo-malthusianism and "resource scarcity" propaganda. is this to be casually ignored? i'm sick and tired of facing the deep denial that exists about this disturbing and critically important phenomenon.
For those who still believe abiotic oil is a savior to the hydrocarbon crisis peak oil advocates declare we are about to face I suggest a thorough reading of Richard Heinberg's brilliant piece
i notice that heinberg never addresses a key question which is seems obvious to me up front, which is: regardless of their theories, how have the russians found significant amounts of oil in places like vietnam's white tiger field, where conventional wisdom would simply dictate not to drill? one can come up with arguments after the fact that 'fossil' petroleum has migrated down to lower layers, but that doesn't change the fact that oil is being found in unexpected places and in significant amounts (at least, and importantly, for a "third world" country like vietnam, giving them insurance against the "oil shocks" of the anglo-american cartels), whatever its source.
and in this case, heinberg is wrong to declare that "peak oil" promoters are the "underdogs" or "mavericks" vis a vis "fossil fuel" theory (and i will soon be writing an article pointing out that most of the notable "peak oil" announcements and public predictions over the past three decades have not come from "maverick" outsiders, but instead from the inner circles of the establishment, or supported by same). if one is to bring such subjective, politicized considerations into this, it is in fact the russians who are really the underdogs, and who threaten the rather obvious anglo-american agenda to drastically slow down global industrial development in order to preserve permanently the current state of atlanticist dominance over rising power rivals in eurasia. one might stop to consider the meaning of too-hastily dismissing the russian-ukranian theories at a time in history when russia as a whole has been under constant brutal assault from washington & london elites for more than a decade, and also consider the fact that the willingness of the scientific establishment to consider and explore abiotic theory is apparently markedly different when comparing the english-speaking and non-english-speaking world. what might that hint at?
the abiotic debate is not over, and it is unseemly and irresponsible to declare it to be over and dismissed only a few weeks after this latest flurry of articles, before the abiotic proponents have had a chance to reply, especially that many people who are following this debate, including myself, are currently *very* preoccupied with the very busy political events of election season and everything else that is currently going on. this is not at all a fair time to rush things! furthermore, even within the assumptions of fossil fuel theory, the claim of present or imminent "peak oil" is still highly disputable. mike lynch is an example of someone who has written very substantive critiques completely within conventional 'fossil fuel' assumptions. the recent discovery of a massive new field in mexico, as discussed in david mcgowan's recent newsletter (http://www.davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr70.html), shows that there is very serious reason to doubt the bold & arrogant claims that all further large-scale exploration is destined to come up dry or come up with only meagre results. so it's a fallacy to begin with to create a false dichotomy, as heinberg has done implicitly, where the only two options are "abiotic all the way" or "peak oil is upon us and we have no choice but to start planning global downsizing now!".
it is not yet time for us to reach any final decisions about the supposed necessity for a "global downsizing" or speaking in irresponsibly evasive, veiled terms about "population reduction". especially since both of these agendas are supported by key elements of the anglo-american elites (known to those who have studied the issues carefully). those who are rushing to such conclusions before the relevant debates are truly and genuinely resolved are doing nothing but empowering the likes of virginia abernethy, whether or not they agree with her brand of politics. that's a fact of our present situation.
i have to express my deep concern about those who are seemingly chomping at the bit to aggressively railroad us into immediate long-term decisions and immediate, drastic civilization-wide policy changes based on "peak oil" claims, when we can still afford some time to debate the issues and time to explore the possibility of finding optimal new energy solutions, and while there is still so much reason for caution and skepticism about the underlying claims and how they really sit in relation to elite agendas.
let's crack 9/11 first. that is our truly urgent and undisputable concern.
-brian
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