-Caveat Lector- from alt.conspiracy ----- As always, Caveat Lector. Om K ----- <A HREF="aol://5863:126/alt.conspiracy:519115">LITTLETON & DRUG SIDE EFFECTS </A> ----- Subject: LITTLETON & DRUG SIDE EFFECTS From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ian Goddard) Date: Thu, Apr 29, 1999 1:15 PM Message-id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> The Washington Post (4/29/99, A1) reports that Columbine gunman Eric Harris was on a prescription antidepressant known as "Luvox." A quick web search reveals that Luvox "can activate mania in susceptible patients" (source: http://www.begin.com/redoak/medications/luvox.html). The manufacturer's prescription insert says: "LUVOX Tablets should be used cautiously in patients with a history of mania." http://www.ocdresource.com/ocdresource.nsf/pages/Diagnosis+Luvox Symptoms of "mania" include: "Provocative, intrusive, or aggressive behavior" (see: http://mentalhelp.net/articles/grohol/bipolar.htm) A National Institute of Mental Health webpage includes the following mania symptoms (http://www.nimh.nih.gov/dart1/need2no/symptoms.htm): Symptoms of Mania Include * Inappropriate elation * Inappropriate irritability * Grandiose notions * Disconnected and racing thoughts * Markedly increased energy * Poor judgment * Inappropriate social behavior all of which appear to be applicable to the actions and grandiose ideas of Eric Harris, which included a plan in which, after killing their fellow students, the two would escape to an Island in Mexico and then return to the US to crash a plane into New York City. Wow! Now if that's not a "grandiose notion" pray tell what is? The Post notes that Harris was the leader of the two. It's only too clear that Eric Harris manifested the known side effects of the drug and/or physiological symptoms contraindicated for the drug, and thus he should have (a) never been prescribed Luvox, or (b) been taken off it; which is of course 100% apparent only in hindsight. The Post didn't mention the drug's side effects, only that the Marines rejected him since he was on the drug (it may have hurt him in several ways). ------------------------------------------------------------ GODDARD'S JOURNAL: http://www.erols.com/igoddard/journal.htm ____________________________________________________________ ===== Subject: Re: LITTLETON & DRUG SIDE EFFECTS From: Swimmy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Thu, Apr 29, 1999 3:10 PM Message-id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Ian Goddard wrote: > Symptoms of Mania Include > > * Inappropriate elation > * Inappropriate irritability > * Grandiose notions > * Disconnected and racing thoughts > * Markedly increased energy > * Poor judgment > * Inappropriate social behavior > > all of which appear to be applicable to the actions and > grandiose ideas of Eric Harris, which included a plan > in which, after killing their fellow students, the two > would escape to an Island in Mexico and then return to > the US to crash a plane into New York City. Wow! Now > if that's not a "grandiose notion" pray tell what is? > The Post notes that Harris was the leader of the two. Mania -->Grandiose thoughts. Reasonable. Grandiose thoughts--> Massacre and suicide ???? I never noticed these side effects on AD fact sheets! > he > should have (a) never been prescribed Luvox, or (b) > been taken off it; which is of course 100% apparent > only in hindsight. Precisely. This line of thought is extrapolating far too much from a list of drug side effects. Almost every anti-depressant can induce a manic episode in individuals with bipolar disorder. As anti-depressants are some of the most widely prescribed drugs in the US, we would be seeing allot more suicide-shootings if there was a causal link between violence and AD use. Perhaps with this kid the AD did play a small role in inducing mania and thus the acts that followed, but in MOST individuals, a manic episode doesn't lead to a massacre. There are a multitude of factors at play in this case, I think its oversimplifying the issue to blame ADs, music, video games, or anything else on this kid's behavior. By the time a person is 17/18 years old, their ethics and morals should already be well developed, at least to the extent that they don't go on shooting sprees. If I were looking for explanations to the kid's behavior, I would start by questioning the dumb-ass parents of this kid who let him build bombs in his bedroom in plain view. Swimmy ===== Subject: Re: LITTLETON & DRUG SIDE EFFECTS From: "wewp" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]!NO_SPAM!> Date: Thu, Apr 29, 1999 9:27 PM Message-id: <01be92ca$32779760$1dc40b26@eulgoy> > If I were looking for explanations to the kid's behavior, I > would start by questioning the dumb-ass parents of this kid who let him > build bombs in his bedroom in plain view. How do you know they did? Maybe they did that when their parents were at work. You know nothing about the actual situation with the parents, don't be so quick to judge them. ===== Subject: Re: LITTLETON & DRUG SIDE EFFECTS From: Theramagnets <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Sat, May 1, 1999 4:04 AM Message-id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sorry .... in this day and age a good parent needs to know know what's in every room of their house....even if it's behind locked doors. There is no reason for anything of that sort to be in someones house without a responsible parent knowing about it.....expecially if the kid has exhibited abnormal behavior. I don't like the idea, but good parenting involves snooping. The results of the snooping may, in some cases, involve action, depending upon the degree of concern with what has been found. Unless of course we are dealing with two people who weren't responsible enough to take care of themselves when they had the child; so how the hell could they take care of a third innocent human being as a responsible parent. (I have two children 29 and 31 and was lucky enough to be able to be an at-home mom. Today the working parents have it much tougher, there is no question. However, good parenting is good parenting no matter what). I may live in a different world, probably a lot different than you too as a matter of fact. I can't understand why your response to this started the way it did. "Jesus, not again. How the fuck do you know...........". Don't you know how to speak like a normal human being? Marlynn wewp wrote: > > Perhaps the meds played a part in this whole thing......what played a > > bigger part was the fact that his parents had blinders on. How in > > God's name they never questioned what was out in plain sight is beyond > > belief. > > Jesus, not again. How the fuck do you know that stuff was always in plain > view for the parents to see? It could have only been that way on the day > they were found. ===== Subject: Re: LITTLETON & DRUG SIDE EFFECTS From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mnp5) Date: Fri, Apr 30, 1999 12:55 PM Message-id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> On Thu, 29 Apr 1999 22:57:15 -0400, Theramagnets <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Perhaps the meds played a part in this whole thing......what played a >bigger part was the fact that his parents had blinders on. How in >God's name they never questioned what was out in plain sight is beyond >belief. On a side note, none of us (not even the investigators) know if the items found in the perpetrator's bedroom were in plain view for an extended period of time. The open diary found in the bedroom could have been left there minutes before they departed for their little massacre, and they could have sawed off the shotgun the night before for all we know. I hope to god you don't get called as a juror for anything.. ever. ===== Subject: Re: LITTLETON & DRUG SIDE EFFECTS From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ian Goddard) Date: Fri, Apr 30, 1999 12:21 AM Message-id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> On Thu, 29 Apr 1999 21:15:42 GMT, Ian Goddard wrote: >The Washington Post (4/29/99, A1) reports that Columbine >gunman Eric Harris was on a prescription antidepressant, >a new drug called "Luvox." A net search finds that Luvox >"can activate mania in susceptible patients" (source: >http://www.begin.com/redoak/medications/luvox.html) > >The manufacturer's prescription insert says: "LUVOX Tablets >should be used cautiously in patients with a history of mania." >http://www.ocdresource.com/ocdresource.nsf/pages/Diagnosis+Luvox > >Symptoms of "mania" include: "Provocative, intrusive, or aggressive >behavior" (see: http://mentalhelp.net/articles/grohol/bipolar.htm) It's important to note that The Washington Post article says Eric Harris was the leader of the two dead gunmen. So Dylan Klebold was following his friend who was on a psychotropic drug that's known to activate mania, which can manifest itself as aggressive behavior. Dr. Ann Blake Tracy, author of "Prozac: Panacea or Pandora?," lists "aggressive or violent behavior" as a side effect of antidepressants such as Luvox. Dr Tracy states that long- term users of antidepressants can loose the distinction between reality and dream. She says some patients enter an "anesthetic sleep state" where they do things that later they can't believe or recall they did (see: http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/3568). Searching the MEDLINE database at the National Library of Medicine website (http://igm.nlm.nih.gov) I found a study by doctors from the Hadassah-Hebrew University School of Medicine in Jerusalem, Israel that came to this conclusion about Luvox, or fluvoxamine: "Our case series suggests that fluvoxamine may have the ability to induce or unmask manic behavior in depressed patients. Clinicians are alerted to monitor for this 'switching' effect..." STUDY TITLE: Fluvoxamine-associated manic behavior: a case series. AUTHORS: Dorevitch A; Frankel Y; Bar-Halperin A; Aronzon R; Zilberman L SOURCE: Ann Pharmacother 1993 Dec;27(12):1455-7 CITATION IDS: PMID: 8305775 UI: 94138126 Some other studies I found @ http://igm.nlm.nih.gov : TITLE: Mania and fluvoxamine. AUTHORS: Burrai C, et al. SOURCE: Am J Psychiatry. 1991 Sep;148(9):1263-4. CIT. IDS: PMID: 1909099 UI: 91353783 TITLE: Fluvoxamine-associated mania/hypomania in patients with obsessive-compulsive disorder. AUTHORS: Jefferson JW, et al. SOURCE: J Clin Psychopharmacol. 1991 Dec;11(6):391-2. CIT. IDS: PMID: 1770160 UI: 92121482 There are a dozen or more studies on Prozac-induced mania (http://igm.nlm.nih.gov). Both Prozac and Luvox are selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors (SSRI). ------------------------------------------------------------ GODDARD'S JOURNAL: http://www.erols.com/igoddard/journal.htm ____________________________________________________________ ===== Subject: Re: LITTLETON & DRUG SIDE EFFECTS From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, Apr 30, 1999 12:11 AM Message-id: <7gbojg$7bt$[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Too bad some people are too busy making themselves feel good by pointing fingers, instead of helping by offering soutions that might prevent future tragedies. More from the W. Post, what he should have been taking: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/WPlate/1999-04/27/105l-042799-idx.html Fish Oil May Aid Against Manic Depression Study Attributes Dramatic Improvement in Patients to Omega-3 Fatty Acids in Supplements By Marc Kaufman Washington Post Staff Writer Tuesday, April 27, 1999; Page Z07 Scientists believe they have found a surprising new ally in their efforts to understand and treat the sharp mood swings of manic depression--the fatty acids of fish oil. A Harvard University clinical trial of 44 patients suffering from manic, or bipolar, depression had such positive results with fish oil that the experiment was stopped after four months and all patients were put on a treatment of 14 capsules per day. "The group taking the fish oil was performing strikingly better than the placebo group, including significantly longer periods of remission," said Andrew L. Stoll, director of the Psychopharmacology Research Laboratory at Harvard Medical School/McLean Hospital. "A descision was made to stop the trial on ethical grounds." Based on those promising findings, Stoll said, the National institutes of Health (NIH) has given preliminary approval for a larger fish oil trial starting this summer. That trial, at McLean and Baylor College of Medicine in Houston, would include 120 people suffering from manic depression and would last for three years. "If this works, it would be one of the most exciting findings in psychiatry in the past 20 years," said Jerry Cott, chief of the psychopharmacology research program at the National Institute of Mental Health. "This is the first time we would be testing a nutritional supplement that appears to be having efficacy about to the degree of a synthetic medication." "This could give us real insight into what is the basis of this psychiatric disorder," Cott said. "Right now, we have no clue what it's really about." <snip> _____________________________________________ Wow! No clue huh? First time a supplement appears to be as good as a drug huh? Hey, their words, not mine! I hope I'm not the only person who sees the connection here. Since Lithium is naturally found in foods, wouldn't Lithium be more accurately called a *nutritional supplement*, rather than an anti-psychotic drug? In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ian Goddard) wrote: > > The Washington Post (4/29/99, A1) reports that Columbine > gunman Eric Harris was on a prescription antidepressant > known as "Luvox." A quick web search reveals that Luvox > "can activate mania in susceptible patients" (source: > http://www.begin.com/redoak/medications/luvox.html). ===== Subject: Re: LITTLETON & DRUG SIDE EFFECTS From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David Wright) Date: Fri, Apr 30, 1999 8:46 AM Message-id: <7gcmp3$fb$[EMAIL PROTECTED]> In article <7gckuk$rmr$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, TBone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Sobering post Ian. Yeah, assuming it's at all relevant. Is Ian a Scientologist, by the way? >The mind reels with thoughts of Ridilin. Abandonment of parenting in lieu of >drugs. That's Ritalin. I can't imagine you're that up on the subject if you can't even spell it. -- David Wright :: wright at ibnets.com :: Not a Spokesman for Anyone These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "Few things give a greater feeling of security than a full gas tank." ----- Aloha, He'Ping, Om, Shalom, Salaam. Em Hotep, Peace Be, Omnia Bona Bonis, All My Relations. Adieu, Adios, Aloha. Amen. 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